msmtp and multiple smtp servers

msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

If anyone is successfully using msmtp with multiple smtp server I would
be interested to see your setup. I followed the instructions here but
keep getting errors.

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP

See : Yet Another Gnus/MSMTP Setting for Easy Multi-SMTP Sending

I get:

220 mx.google.com ESMTP w5sm2573120mue
EHLO hostname.net
250-mx.google.com at your service, [85.179.196.180]
250-SIZE 28311552
250-8BITMIME
250-STARTTLS
250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
MAIL FROM:<email@gmail.com> SIZE=254
530 5.7.0 Must issue a STARTTLS command first w5sm2573120mue
QUIT
221 2.0.0 mx.google.com closing connection w5sm2573120mue

in the trace file.

I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
separate .el file.

Any and all suggestions greatly appreciated.

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo]

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> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
> separate .el file.

With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
separated file.





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Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:

> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>
>
>> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
>> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
>> separate .el file.
>
> With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
> separated file.

Could you explain how? I don't like requir'ing another .el file with
different permissions. I prefer a resource file such as .authinfo or
.msmtprc

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo]

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> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>
>>
>>> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
>>> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
>>> separate .el file.
>>
>> With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
>> separated file.
>
> Could you explain how? I don't like requir'ing another .el file with
> different permissions. I prefer a resource file such as .authinfo or
> .msmtprc



(setq smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")



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Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:

> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>
>> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
>>>> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
>>>> separate .el file.
>>>
>>> With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
>>> separated file.
>>
>> Could you explain how? I don't like requir'ing another .el file with
>> different permissions. I prefer a resource file such as .authinfo or
>> .msmtprc
>
>
>
> (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")

This doesn't work with multiple accounts on the same machine from what I
can gather and is useless if you use a function like fs-change-smtp (google)
which sets smtpmail-auth-credentials based on the from field.

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo]

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Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :

> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>
>>> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
>>>>> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
>>>>> separate .el file.
>>>>
>>>> With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
>>>> separated file.
>>>
>>> Could you explain how? I don't like requir'ing another .el file with
>>> different permissions. I prefer a resource file such as .authinfo or
>>> .msmtprc
>>
>>
>>
>> (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")
>
> This doesn't work with multiple accounts on the same machine from what I
> can gather and is useless if you use a function like fs-change-smtp (google)
> which sets smtpmail-auth-credentials based on the from field.



why not?


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Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:

> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>
>> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>>
>>>> Exal de Jesus Garcia Carrillo <no-spam@gnu.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Richard G. Riley em gnu.emacs.gnus escreveu :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have moved to try to use msmtp because it allows configurations to be
>>>>>> stored in .msmtprc which is easier to hide from prying eyes than a
>>>>>> separate .el file.
>>>>>
>>>>> With smtpmail.el you could also store sensitive information in a
>>>>> separated file.
>>>>
>>>> Could you explain how? I don't like requir'ing another .el file with
>>>> different permissions. I prefer a resource file such as .authinfo or
>>>> .msmtprc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")
>>
>> This doesn't work with multiple accounts on the same machine from what I
>> can gather and is useless if you use a function like fs-change-smtp (google)
>> which sets smtpmail-auth-credentials based on the from field.
>
>
>
> why not?

If I knew I wouldn't be asking here.

I tried the solution here:

http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP

What happens is that gmail smtp servers replaces my "from" email with
the one matching the first authinfo entry for "smtp.gamil.com".So When I
send an email using one of a couple of posting styles the recipient sees
the "id1@gmail" as the from instead of "id2@gmail" despite the fact that
msmtp had the from correctly set as id2@gmail in the .msmtprc file.

It is all quite confusing.

Any help appreciated.

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:


[...]

> I tried the solution here:
>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP
>
> What happens is that gmail smtp servers replaces my "from" email with
> the one matching the first authinfo entry for "smtp.gamil.com".So When I
> send an email using one of a couple of posting styles the recipient sees
> the "id1@gmail" as the from instead of "id2@gmail" despite the fact that
> msmtp had the from correctly set as id2@gmail in the .msmtprc file.
>
> It is all quite confusing.
>
> Any help appreciated.

ummm...I wrote the first half of the page, so if you explain what's
the issue, I could revise the page for the better.  Maybe your Emacs
config for gnus and msmtprc without the identifying info could be a
good start.

Before sending the email, try checking the variable
message-sendmail-extra-arguments to see whether it points to the
correct alias of msmtprc profiles.

 sivaram
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Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:

> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>> I tried the solution here:
>>
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP
>>
>> What happens is that gmail smtp servers replaces my "from" email with
>> the one matching the first authinfo entry for "smtp.gamil.com".So When I
>> send an email using one of a couple of posting styles the recipient sees
>> the "id1@gmail" as the from instead of "id2@gmail" despite the fact that
>> msmtp had the from correctly set as id2@gmail in the .msmtprc file.
>>
>> It is all quite confusing.
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>
> ummm...I wrote the first half of the page, so if you explain what's
> the issue, I could revise the page for the better.  Maybe your Emacs
> config for gnus and msmtprc without the identifying info could be a
> good start.

The issues is the multi smtp server part. I am just looking for one
person who can confirm it works using the cg-feed-msmtp function at the
end of the page. Is some setting not working which is causing the issue?
I use posting-styles too btw : but I still used the fs-change-smtp to
set the smtpmail-auth-credentials ( in an el file in plaintext). When I
tried to move to using the cg-feed-msmtp function what else needs to be
set? The correct profile seems to be picked up but then msmtp goes on to
use .authinfo for some reason (I assume from the fact that google is
rewriting my from address and this msmtp is picking the wrong smtp login
and I think its getting it from .authinfo - if I remove the authinfo
lines for smtp.gmail.com then I get an smtp protocol error. Why is that?
Surely everything it needs is in the .msmtprc?

Note : I did get it to work from the command line using the -d log
option to see correct settings.

I dont have time now but I will try and cobble together an example soon.

>
> Before sending the email, try checking the variable
> message-sendmail-extra-arguments to see whether it points to the
> correct alias of msmtprc profiles.

It does.

>
>  sivaram
>  -- 

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:

> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>> I tried the solution here:
>>
>> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusMSMTP
>>
>> What happens is that gmail smtp servers replaces my "from" email with
>> the one matching the first authinfo entry for "smtp.gamil.com".So When I
>> send an email using one of a couple of posting styles the recipient sees
>> the "id1@gmail" as the from instead of "id2@gmail" despite the fact that
>> msmtp had the from correctly set as id2@gmail in the .msmtprc file.
>>
>> It is all quite confusing.
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>
> ummm...I wrote the first half of the page, so if you explain what's
> the issue, I could revise the page for the better.  Maybe your Emacs
> config for gnus and msmtprc without the identifying info could be a
> good start.
>
> Before sending the email, try checking the variable
> message-sendmail-extra-arguments to see whether it points to the
> correct alias of msmtprc profiles.
>
>  sivaram
>  -- 

OK, the problem is narrowed down.

the account is correct. But its not matching the .msmtprc section.
Instead it is dropping through to the default e.g

,----
| account abc
| user abc@gmail.com
| password abc123
| 
| account rgr
| user rgr@gmail.com
| password rgr123
| 
| account default : rgr
`----

in this case if the "from" is logged using message in the multi-smtp
function then message correctly reports that account "abc" was selected
into variable account. But the actual user & password picked up for the
smtp chat with the gmail servers is that of rgr above : the default
account.

I have latest msmtp 1.4.13.

This then makes me think there is indeed a problem with

(setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments (list "-a" account))

But examining it tells me

message-sendmail-extra-arguments's value is ("-a" "abc")

Is this correct? Has something changed here?

So what else can I do to debug? I am dreading this being something so
obvious with my config file.

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:

> Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> I tried the solution here:
>>>

[...]

>
> OK, the problem is narrowed down.
>
> the account is correct. But its not matching the .msmtprc section.
> Instead it is dropping through to the default e.g
>
> ,----
> | account abc
> | user abc@gmail.com
> | password abc123
> | 
> | account rgr
> | user rgr@gmail.com
> | password rgr123
> | 
> | account default : rgr
> `----
>
> in this case if the "from" is logged using message in the multi-smtp
> function then message correctly reports that account "abc" was selected
> into variable account. But the actual user & password picked up for the
> smtp chat with the gmail servers is that of rgr above : the default
> account.
>
> I have latest msmtp 1.4.13.
>
> This then makes me think there is indeed a problem with
>
> (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments (list "-a" account))
>
> But examining it tells me
>
> message-sendmail-extra-arguments's value is ("-a" "abc")
>
> Is this correct? Has something changed here?
>
> So what else can I do to debug? I am dreading this being something so
> obvious with my config file.

Does your posting style look similar to this?

(setq gnus-parameters 
      '((".*news\\.gmane\\.org.*" 
	 (visible . t) 
	 (display . all) 
	 (posting-style 
	  (address "nsivaram.xxxxxx@gmail.com") 
	  (name "Sivaram Neelakantan") 
	  (eval (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments '("-a" "siva"))) 
	  (user-mail-address "nsivaram.xxxx@gmail.com"))) 
	(".*nnfolder:.*" 
	 (posting-style 
	  (address "sssss@gmail.com") 
	  (name "Ssssss")
	  (body "Sssss") 
	  (eval (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments '("-a" "sssss"))) 
	  (user-mail-address "ssssss@gmail.com"))))) 

Obviously, the sendmail args go into effect only when I *enter* the
specific folders.  The second argument is the account names in the
msmtprc file.

1.  Set the posting styles match for 2 different folders and check the
message-sendmail-extra-arguments value in each case (by entering the
folder) to see whether it changes from one value to the other.  If it
doesn't, fix your posting styles, first.

2.  Then send an email and check the logs and the sent mail folder on
gmail to check which smtp account it used.

The extra-args thingy goes into effect only when there is a match and
 that is achieved by entering a folder.


 sivaram
 -- 

Re: msmtp and multiple smtp servers

[Richard G Riley]

Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:

> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Richard G Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> I tried the solution here:
>>>>
>
> [...]
>
>>
>> OK, the problem is narrowed down.
>>
>> the account is correct. But its not matching the .msmtprc section.
>> Instead it is dropping through to the default e.g
>>
>> ,----
>> | account abc
>> | user abc@gmail.com
>> | password abc123
>> | 
>> | account rgr
>> | user rgr@gmail.com
>> | password rgr123
>> | 
>> | account default : rgr
>> `----
>>
>> in this case if the "from" is logged using message in the multi-smtp
>> function then message correctly reports that account "abc" was selected
>> into variable account. But the actual user & password picked up for the
>> smtp chat with the gmail servers is that of rgr above : the default
>> account.
>>
>> I have latest msmtp 1.4.13.
>>
>> This then makes me think there is indeed a problem with
>>
>> (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments (list "-a" account))
>>
>> But examining it tells me
>>
>> message-sendmail-extra-arguments's value is ("-a" "abc")
>>
>> Is this correct? Has something changed here?
>>
>> So what else can I do to debug? I am dreading this being something so
>> obvious with my config file.
>
> Does your posting style look similar to this?
>
> (setq gnus-parameters 
>       '((".*news\\.gmane\\.org.*" 
> 	 (visible . t) 
> 	 (display . all) 
> 	 (posting-style 
> 	  (address "nsivaram.xxxxxx@gmail.com") 
> 	  (name "Sivaram Neelakantan") 
> 	  (eval (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments '("-a" "siva"))) 
> 	  (user-mail-address "nsivaram.xxxx@gmail.com"))) 
> 	(".*nnfolder:.*" 
> 	 (posting-style 
> 	  (address "sssss@gmail.com") 
> 	  (name "Ssssss")
> 	  (body "Sssss") 
> 	  (eval (setq message-sendmail-extra-arguments '("-a" "sssss"))) 
> 	  (user-mail-address "ssssss@gmail.com"))))) 
>
> Obviously, the sendmail args go into effect only when I *enter* the
> specific folders.  The second argument is the account names in the
> msmtprc file.
>
> 1.  Set the posting styles match for 2 different folders and check the
> message-sendmail-extra-arguments value in each case (by entering the
> folder) to see whether it changes from one value to the other.  If it
> doesn't, fix your posting styles, first.
>
> 2.  Then send an email and check the logs and the sent mail folder on
> gmail to check which smtp account it used.

I know which one was used : the one which appears as the "from" when it
is received - google automatically replaces anything in the "from" with
the user logged into the smtp server.

However, everything is now solved.

And it's embarrassing.

Almost line 1 of the Wiki.

I changed to No Gnus 0.6 and it worked. Since I had an emacs-snapshot of
emacs 22 then I assumed (wrongly) that I had recent Gnus. I have no real
idea what No Gnus v Gnus means but it works now.

What the difference is that makes it work is unknown to me.

Thanks for your support.