mail-default-headers and gnus

mail-default-headers and gnus

[Francis Moreau]

Hello,

I like to get a copy of emails I send and I usually write email with
a) gnus or b) "M-x compose-mail". I use the latter if I'm in an emacs
session without gnus started. Actually I usually start one emacs
session for gnus itself.

To get a copy of email, I do 2 things a) tell gnus about it through
group property "gcc-self". b) tell it to emacs by using "(setq mail-
default-headers (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address))".

The problem here is that when I compose an email in gnus, I get the
email copy twice.

Does anybody have a solution to get one and only one copy in both
world ?

thanks

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote: 

FM> I like to get a copy of emails I send and I usually write email with
FM> a) gnus or b) "M-x compose-mail". I use the latter if I'm in an emacs
FM> session without gnus started. Actually I usually start one emacs
FM> session for gnus itself.

FM> To get a copy of email, I do 2 things a) tell gnus about it through
FM> group property "gcc-self". b) tell it to emacs by using "(setq mail-
FM> default-headers (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address))".

FM> The problem here is that when I compose an email in gnus, I get the
FM> email copy twice.

FM> Does anybody have a solution to get one and only one copy in both
FM> world ?

If you never need both, just remove the Bcc header if the Gcc is set,
effectively making it an XOR.

I think you can also mark Gcc mails as read.

Ted

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Francis Moreau]

On Mar 30, 3:27 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FM> I like to get a copy of emails I send and I usually write email with
> FM> a) gnus or b) "M-x compose-mail". I use the latter if I'm in an emacs
> FM> session without gnus started. Actually I usually start one emacs
> FM> session for gnus itself.
>
> FM> To get a copy of email, I do 2 things a) tell gnus about it through
> FM> group property "gcc-self". b) tell it to emacs by using "(setq mail-
> FM> default-headers (concat "Bcc: " user-mail-address))".
>
> FM> The problem here is that when I compose an email in gnus, I get the
> FM> email copy twice.
>
> FM> Does anybody have a solution to get one and only one copy in both
> FM> world ?
>
> If you never need both, just remove the Bcc header if the Gcc is set,
> effectively making it an XOR.

yes but how should I do this ?

>
> I think you can also mark Gcc mails as read.

true, I do it with "(setq gnus-gcc-mark-as-read t)"

Thanks

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote: 

FM> On Mar 30, 3:27 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> If you never need both, just remove the Bcc header if the Gcc is set,
>> effectively making it an XOR.

FM> yes but how should I do this ?

You could add this to your message-send-hook:

(save-restriction
  (message-narrow-to-headers)
  (when (and (message-fetch-field "Gcc") 
             (message-fetch-field "Bcc"))
    (message-remove-header "Gcc")))

You can test it in your message buffer, just paste and evaluate (`C-x
C-e' after the final parenthesis).

Ted

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Francis Moreau]

Hello,

On Mar 30, 11:03 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FM> On Mar 30, 3:27 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>
> >> If you never need both, just remove the Bcc header if the Gcc is set,
> >> effectively making it an XOR.
>
> FM> yes but how should I do this ?
>
> You could add this to your message-send-hook:
>
> (save-restriction
>   (message-narrow-to-headers)
>   (when (and (message-fetch-field "Gcc")
>              (message-fetch-field "Bcc"))
>     (message-remove-header "Gcc")))
>
> You can test it in your message buffer, just paste and evaluate (`C-x
> C-e' after the final parenthesis).

Thank you Ted, for giving me a solution.

I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.

Do you know why ?

The reason for the change is that I prefer the way gnus handles "Gcc"
header, because in that case I don't actually receive new email in my
spool box (it's directly moved to my nnml:Inbox folder) and the mail
is marked as read automatically.

If I send a message by using 'compose-mail', I will have all drawbacks
I mentioned previously but that doesn't matter in this case because I
send emails this way much less often.

Thanks

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote: 

FM> I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
FM> do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.

FM> Do you know why ?

Try it out as I explained, with `C-x C-e'.  Do you see the Bcc removed
but the Gcc left in?

Ted

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Francis Moreau]

On Mar 31, 3:15 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FM> I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
> FM> do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.
>
> FM> Do you know why ?
>
> Try it out as I explained, with `C-x C-e'.  Do you see the Bcc removed
> but the Gcc left in?

Yes Bcc is removed as expected and Gcc is still there. But after
sending the message I still get 2 copies.

Thanks

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote: 

FM> On Mar 31, 3:15 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
FM> I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
FM> do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.
>> 
FM> Do you know why ?
>> 
>> Try it out as I explained, with `C-x C-e'.  Do you see the Bcc removed
>> but the Gcc left in?

FM> Yes Bcc is removed as expected and Gcc is still there. But after
FM> sending the message I still get 2 copies.

Could something be inserting the Bcc header back?  If not it could be
the hook I suggested is too early and the Bcc gets inserted again.  You
may also want to look at the actual message in the code you added to the
message-send-mail-hook; use (debug (buffer-string)) after you make the
modification.

Ted

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Lowell Gilbert]

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.moro@gmail.com> wrote: 
>
> FM> On Mar 31, 3:15 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
> FM> I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
> FM> do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.
>>> 
> FM> Do you know why ?
>>> 
>>> Try it out as I explained, with `C-x C-e'.  Do you see the Bcc removed
>>> but the Gcc left in?
>
> FM> Yes Bcc is removed as expected and Gcc is still there. But after
> FM> sending the message I still get 2 copies.
>
> Could something be inserting the Bcc header back?  If not it could be
> the hook I suggested is too early and the Bcc gets inserted again.  You
> may also want to look at the actual message in the code you added to the
> message-send-mail-hook; use (debug (buffer-string)) after you make the
> modification.

Is it possible that the Bcc is being added outside of Emacs?  I've
fooled myself on that kind of thing once or twice.  The SMTP trace
showed it (or, rather, its absence) quite clearly.

Re: mail-default-headers and gnus

[Francis Moreau]

On Mar 31, 9:18 pm, Lowell Gilbert <lguse...@be-well.ilk.org> wrote:
> Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> writes:
> > On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FM> On Mar 31, 3:15 pm, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Francis Moreau <francis.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FM> I tried to remove "Bcc" header field instead of "Gcc" (as your example
> > FM> do) but it doesn't work I still receive 2 copies of the email.
>
> > FM> Do you know why ?
>
> >>> Try it out as I explained, with `C-x C-e'. Do you see the Bcc removed
> >>> but the Gcc left in?
>
> > FM> Yes Bcc is removed as expected and Gcc is still there. But after
> > FM> sending the message I still get 2 copies.
>
> > Could something be inserting the Bcc header back?  If not it could be
> > the hook I suggested is too early and the Bcc gets inserted again.  You
> > may also want to look at the actual message in the code you added to the
> > message-send-mail-hook; use (debug (buffer-string)) after you make the
> > modification.
>
> Is it possible that the Bcc is being added outside of Emacs?  I've
> fooled myself on that kind of thing once or twice.  The SMTP trace
> showed it (or, rather, its absence) quite clearly.

yes you're probably right since I looked at the actual message by
using 'message-send-mail-hook' as Ted suggested and I don't see the
Bcc field.

I'll look at the SMTP thing.

Thanks