Sending mail with SMTP problem

Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Torben Knudsen]

Re.: Problem sending mail with SMTP 

When I send mail with SMTP I get the below error message.  I am told
that a newer gnus will probably fix it.  I use Gnus v5.11.  If I need
a new version I would prefer to fix it via ubuntu.  Any good
suggestions? 


Process SMTP deleted
220 mta1.es.aau.dk ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:33 +0200
EHLO tk-laptop
250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63]
250-SIZE 52428800
250-PIPELINING
250-STARTTLS
250 HELP
MAIL FROM:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=694
250 OK
RCPT TO:<anderspeter9@hotmail.com>
550 relay not permitted
QUIT
221 mta1.es.aau.dk closing connection

-- 
Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Mobile	: (+45) 2787 9826
Section of Automation and Control,	Direct	: 6 8694
Department of Electronic Systems,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk   
Aalborg University 
Fredrik Bajersvej 7 
DK-9220 Aalborg Ø
Denmark 

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem [relay rejected without offering SMTP AUTH]

[Andrzej Adam Filip]

Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote:

> Re.: Problem sending mail with SMTP 
>
> When I send mail with SMTP I get the below error message.  I am told
> that a newer gnus will probably fix it.  I use Gnus v5.11.  If I need
> a new version I would prefer to fix it via ubuntu.  Any good
> suggestions? 
>
>
> Process SMTP deleted
> <<< 220 mta1.es.aau.dk ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:33 +0200
> >>> EHLO tk-laptop
> <<< 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63]
> <<< 250-SIZE 52428800
> <<< 250-PIPELINING
> <<< 250-STARTTLS
> <<< 250 HELP
> >>> MAIL FROM:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=694
> <<< 250 OK
> >>> RCPT TO:<anderspeter9@hotmail.com>
> <<< 550 relay not permitted
> >>> QUIT
> <<< 221 mta1.es.aau.dk closing connection

What you gnus was supposed to do?
The only possible thing would be to use "SMTP AUTH" *BUT* the server had
not indicated support for "SMTP AUTH" in reply to EHLO.

May be the server offers SMTP AUTH support *after* STARLS? 
(over encrypted connections)

-- 
[pl>en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@onet.eu : Andrze.Filip@gmail.com
Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs.
  -- Kernighan

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:09:32 +0200 Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote: 

TK> Re.: Problem sending mail with SMTP 
TK> When I send mail with SMTP I get the below error message.  I am told
TK> that a newer gnus will probably fix it.  I use Gnus v5.11.  If I need
TK> a new version I would prefer to fix it via ubuntu.  Any good
TK> suggestions? 


TK> Process SMTP deleted
TK> 220 mta1.es.aau.dk ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:33 +0200
TK> EHLO tk-laptop
TK> 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63]
TK> 250-SIZE 52428800
TK> 250-PIPELINING
TK> 250-STARTTLS
TK> 250 HELP
TK> MAIL FROM:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=694
TK> 250 OK
TK> RCPT TO:<anderspeter9@hotmail.com>
TK> 550 relay not permitted
TK> QUIT
TK> 221 mta1.es.aau.dk closing connection

You need to authenticate yourself to that SMTP server using TLS, because
it doesn't allow you to relay mail to outside users otherwise (this is a
good thing).  Look at these instructions:

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/?SmtpAuth

On Windows, you may have a hard time setting things up.  I know this
works on GNU/Linux, MacOS X, and other Unix systems.

Ted

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Torben Knudsen]

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:09:32 +0200 Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote: 
>
> TK> Re.: Problem sending mail with SMTP 
> TK> When I send mail with SMTP I get the below error message.  I am told
> TK> that a newer gnus will probably fix it.  I use Gnus v5.11.  If I need
> TK> a new version I would prefer to fix it via ubuntu.  Any good
> TK> suggestions? 
>
>
> TK> Process SMTP deleted
> TK> 220 mta1.es.aau.dk ESMTP Exim 4.63 Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:27:33 +0200
> TK> EHLO tk-laptop
> TK> 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63]
> TK> 250-SIZE 52428800
> TK> 250-PIPELINING
> TK> 250-STARTTLS
> TK> 250 HELP
> TK> MAIL FROM:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=694
> TK> 250 OK
> TK> RCPT TO:<anderspeter9@hotmail.com>
> TK> 550 relay not permitted
> TK> QUIT
> TK> 221 mta1.es.aau.dk closing connection
>
> You need to authenticate yourself to that SMTP server using TLS, because
> it doesn't allow you to relay mail to outside users otherwise (this is a
> good thing).  Look at these instructions:
>
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/?SmtpAuth
>
> On Windows, you may have a hard time setting things up.  I know this
> works on GNU/Linux, MacOS X, and other Unix systems.

I tryed to follow the instruction but it didn't solve my problem.  The
strange thing is that the problem is only with a new smtp server.
With the old smtp server it works but this server will be closed.  I
have include my .gnus below if anyone can se any mistakes.

;% Time-stamp: <2009-04-01 09:59:03 tk>

;*** Misc

; To avoid canlock-password entries in .emacs
(setq message-insert-canlock nil)

(gnus-define-keys gnus-summary-mode-map [delete]  gnus-summary-delete-article)

(setq make-backup-files nil)
(setq user-mail-address "tk@es.aau.dk")
(setq gnus-local-domain "es.aau.dk")

;; Send mail using SMTP on the mail submission port 587.
(require 'starttls)
(require 'smtpmail)
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.es.aau.dk" 587 nil nil))
      smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.es.aau.dk" 587
                                   "tk@es.aau.dk" nil))
      smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.es.aau.dk"
      smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.es.aau.dk"
      smtpmail-smtp-service 587)

; added from http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/?SmtpAuth begin
(setq smtpmail-local-domain "es.aau.dk")
(setq smtpmail-sendto-domain "es.aau.dk")
; added from http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/?SmtpAuth end


;; TK Alternative to smtpmail-smtp-credentials
;;      smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")

(setq gnus-local-organization "Aalborg University, Institute of Electronic Systems")

; For debuging and test
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t
      smtpmail-debug-verb t)

(setq mail-source-delete-incoming t)

(add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode)

(setq gnus-large-newsgroup 300)
(setq nnmail-large-newsgroup 300)
(add-hook 'gnus-after-getting-new-news-hook 'gnus-group-save-newsrc)
(setq gnus-suppress-duplicates t)
(setq nnmail-treat-duplicates 'delete)
(setq gnus-interactive-exit nil)
(setq gnus-thread-ignore-subject t)

(setq gnus-nntp-server "news.aau.dk")
(setq gnus-message-archive-group "nnimap+AUC:INBOX.mbox-out")

;*** Default headers
(setq message-default-headers "Mime-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n")

;*** TK part
;(setq gnus-use-adaptive-scoring t)
;(setq gnus-default-article-saver 'gnus-summary-save-in-file)

; Use external browser e.g. firefox
;(setq mm-text-html-renderer nil)
;(setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-firefox)

;; Use emacs-w3m to render html mails and display images
(setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m
      mm-inline-text-html-with-images t
      mm-inline-large-images t)

;; Show plain text part by default, but provide buttons for the
;; html part
(setq mm-discouraged-alternatives '("text/html" "text/richtext" "text/enriched")
      gnus-buttonized-mime-types  '("multipart/signed" "multipart/alternative"))

;*** nnimap stuff
; for test
;(setq imap-log "imaplog")

;; For IMAP use.
(setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX")
      imap-username "tk"
      imap-store-password t
      )

(setq nnimap-expunge-on-close 'always)
(defvar nnimap-split-crosspost nil)

;(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.aau.dk")
      gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nnimap "AUC"
		(nnimap-address "imap.es.aau.dk")
		(nnimap-stream ssl))))

; (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")

;*** Setup group buffer format
(add-hook 'gnus-select-group-hook 'gnus-group-set-timestamp)
(setq gnus-group-line-format "%M%S<%4R:%3y>: %(%-40,40g%) %2,2~(cut 6)d-%2,2~(cut 4)d\n")
(setq gnus-summary-line-format "%U%R%z%I%(%[%d %4c: %-20,20n%]%) %s\n")
(define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [delete] 'gnus-summary-delete-article)

;;
;; *** automatic mail scan without manual effort.
;;
;; level-specified group scanner.
(defun gnus-demon-scan-mail-or-news-and-update (level)
"Scan for new mail, updating the *Group* buffer."
  (let ((win (current-window-configuration)))
    (unwind-protect
        (save-window-excursion
          (save-excursion
            (when (gnus-alive-p)
              (save-excursion
                (set-buffer gnus-group-buffer)
                (gnus-group-get-new-news level)))))
      (set-window-configuration win))))
;;
;; level 2: only mail groups are scanned.
(defun gnus-demon-scan-mail-and-update ()
"Scan for new mail, updating the *Group* buffer."
  (gnus-demon-scan-mail-or-news-and-update 2))
(gnus-demon-add-handler `gnus-demon-scan-mail-and-update 5 nil)
;;
;; level 3: mail and local news groups are scanned.
(defun gnus-demon-scan-news-and-update ()
"Scan for new mail, updating the *Group* buffer."
  (gnus-demon-scan-mail-or-news-and-update 3))
(gnus-demon-add-handler `gnus-demon-scan-news-and-update 20 20)

(setq gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups "nnimap[+]AUC:")
(setq gnus-inhibit-user-auto-expire nil)
(setq nnmail-expiry-wait 31)

;*** Mail splitting
(setq nnimap-split-rule
 '(
  ("INBOX.Spam-mail"	"^X-Spam-Flag:.*YES")
  ("INBOX.Spam-mail"	"^Subject:.*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*.*")
  ("INBOX.staff"	"^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*staff")
  ("INBOX.staff"	"^\\(To\\|Cc\\):.*all-control")
  ("INBOX.P3C"		"^\\(Subject\\|To\\|Cc\\):.*P3C.*")
  ("INBOX.Aeolus"	"^\\(Subject\\|From\\|To\\|Cc\\):.*Aeolus.*")
  ("INBOX.Badminton"    "^\\(To\\|Cc\\|From\\|Subject\\):.*badminton.*")
  ("INBOX.conference"	"^Subject:.*\\(call.*paper\\|conference\\|congress\\).*")
  ("INBOX.tk"	        "^\\(To\\|Cc\\|From\\):.*tk@.*")
  ("INBOX.misc"		"")
       )
)

-- 
Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Mobile	: (+45) 2787 9826
Section of Automation and Control,	Direct	: 6 8694
Department of Electronic Systems,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk   
Aalborg University 
Fredrik Bajersvej 7 
DK-9220 Aalborg Ø
Denmark 

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Andrzej Adam Filip]

Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote:

> [...]
> I tryed to follow the instruction but it didn't solve my problem.  The
> strange thing is that the problem is only with a new smtp server.
> With the old smtp server it works but this server will be closed. 
> [...]

Could you post name of the old smtp server?

As I wrote the (new) server does not declare support for SMTP AUTH in
its reply to EHLO.

-- 
[pl>en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@onet.eu : Andrze.Filip@gmail.com
Likewise, the national appetizer, brine-cured herring with raw onions,
wins few friends, Germans excepted.
  -- Darwin Porter "Scandinavia On $50 A Day"

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Torben Knudsen]

Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> writes:

> Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> I tryed to follow the instruction but it didn't solve my problem.  The
>> strange thing is that the problem is only with a new smtp server.
>> With the old smtp server it works but this server will be closed. 
>> [...]
>
> Could you post name of the old smtp server?
>
> As I wrote the (new) server does not declare support for SMTP AUTH in
> its reply to EHLO.

I am not sure if this is what you want but I inluded trace from the
old server.  I have deleted some of the mail in the middle.


Process SMTP deleted
220 orc.control.auc.dk ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.6/8.13.6; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:13:56 +0200 (CEST)
EHLO tk-laptop.es.aau.dk
250-orc.control.auc.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63], pleased to meet you
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-PIPELINING
250-EXPN
250-VERB
250-8BITMIME
250-SIZE
250-DSN
250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
250-STARTTLS
250-DELIVERBY
250 HELP
AUTH LOGIN
334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
dGtAZXMuYWF1LmRr
334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
MXRranJhcDI=
235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated
VERB
250 2.0.0 Verbose mode
MAIL FROM:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=8798
250 2.1.0 <tk@es.aau.dk>... Sender ok
RCPT TO:<tba@es.aau.dk>
250 2.1.5 <tba@es.aau.dk>... Recipient ok
RCPT TO:<brand@ecn.nl>
250 2.1.5 <brand@ecn.nl>... Recipient ok
DATA
354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
To: Arno Brand <brand@ecn.nl>
Cc: Thomas Bak <tba@es.aau.dk>
Subject: [Brand, A.J. (Arno)] RE: Emailing: Aeolus_2ndWP1_09dec2008_minutesDraft.pdf
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
From: Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk>
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:13:59 +0200
Message-ID: <87ljqk8w3s.fsf@es.aau.dk>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-="

--=-=-=

Arno

I have two responses from you I like to have as soon as possible.

...............

Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Mobile	: (+45) 2787 9826
Section of Automation and Control,	Direct	: 6 8694
Department of Electronic Systems,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk=20=20=20
Aalborg University=20
Fredrik Bajersvej 7=20
DK-9220 Aalborg =D8
Denmark=20

--=-=-=--
.
050 <brand@ecn.nl>... Connecting to mx-a.mf.surf.net. via esmtp...
050 220 filter2-til.mf.surf.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:14:04 +0200; (No UCE/UBE) logging access from: orc.control.auc.dk(OK)-orc.control.auc.dk [130.225.50.20]
050 >>> EHLO orc.control.auc.dk
050 250-filter2-til.mf.surf.net Hello orc.control.auc.dk [130.225.50.20], pleased to meet you
050 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
050 250-PIPELINING
050 250-EXPN
050 250-VERB
050 250-8BITMIME
050 250-SIZE
050 250-DSN
050 250-ETRN
050 250-DELIVERBY
050 250 HELP
050 >>> MAIL From:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=8669
050 250 2.1.0 <tk@es.aau.dk>... Sender ok
050 >>> RCPT To:<brand@ecn.nl>
050 >>> DATA
050 250 2.1.5 <brand@ecn.nl>... Recipient ok
050 354 Enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself
050 >>> .
050 250 2.0.0 n31BE4EM031605 Message accepted for delivery
050 <brand@ecn.nl>... Sent (n31BE4EM031605 Message accepted for delivery)
050 <tba@es.aau.dk>... Connecting to a.mx.es.aau.dk. via esmtp...
050 220 mta1.es.aau.dk ESMTP Exim 4.63 Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:14:05 +0200
050 >>> EHLO orc.control.auc.dk
050 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello orc.control.auc.dk [130.225.50.20]
050 250-SIZE 52428800
050 250-PIPELINING
050 250-STARTTLS
050 250 HELP
050 >>> STARTTLS
050 220 TLS go ahead
050 >>> EHLO orc.control.auc.dk
050 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello orc.control.auc.dk [130.225.50.20]
050 250-SIZE 52428800
050 250-PIPELINING
050 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
050 250 HELP
050 >>> MAIL From:<tk@es.aau.dk> SIZE=8669
050 250 OK
050 >>> RCPT To:<tba@es.aau.dk>
050 >>> DATA
050 250 Accepted
050 354 Enter message, ending with "." on a line by itself
050 >>> .
050 250 OK id=1LoyOT-0002eg-B2
050 <tba@es.aau.dk>... Sent (OK id=1LoyOT-0002eg-B2)
250 2.0.0 n31BDufi003200 Message accepted for delivery
QUIT
221 2.0.0 orc.control.auc.dk closing connection

-- 
Associate Prof. Ph.D Torben Knudsen	Mobile	: (+45) 2787 9826
Section of Automation and Control,	Direct	: 6 8694
Department of Electronic Systems,	Email	: tk@es.aau.dk   
Aalborg University 
Fredrik Bajersvej 7 
DK-9220 Aalborg Ø
Denmark 

Re: Sending mail with SMTP problem

[Andrzej Adam Filip]

Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote:

> Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@onet.eu> writes:
>
>> Torben Knudsen <tk@es.aau.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>> I tryed to follow the instruction but it didn't solve my problem.  The
>>> strange thing is that the problem is only with a new smtp server.
>>> With the old smtp server it works but this server will be closed. 
>>> [...]
>>
>> Could you post name of the old smtp server?
>>
>> As I wrote the (new) server does not declare support for SMTP AUTH in
>> its reply to EHLO.
>
> I am not sure if this is what you want but I inluded trace from the
> old server.  I have deleted some of the mail in the middle.
>
>
> Process SMTP deleted
> 220 orc.control.auc.dk ESMTP Sendmail 8.13.6/8.13.6; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:13:56 +0200 (CEST)
> EHLO tk-laptop.es.aau.dk
> 250-orc.control.auc.dk Hello aau64570-tk.staff.control.auc.dk [192.38.50.63], pleased to meet you
> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
> 250-PIPELINING
> 250-EXPN
> 250-VERB
> 250-8BITMIME
> 250-SIZE
> 250-DSN
> 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN
> 250-STARTTLS
> 250-DELIVERBY
> 250 HELP
> AUTH LOGIN
> ....
> 334 ....
> 235 2.0.0 OK Authenticated
> VERB
> [...]

As I suspected:
* Your old server supported "insecure" ("plain text") SMTP AUTH methods
  (LOGIN and PLAIN) even over unecrypted SMTP connections 
  [it is not the recomended way].
* Your new SMTP server supports LOGIN and PLAIN "SMTP AUTH" only over
  encrypted connections as indicated in reply to second EHLO in my test.
  [ BTW *DO* change your SMTP password ]

 My test on the new server:
 >>> EHLO ......
 <<< 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello ......
 <<< 250-SIZE 52428800
 <<< 250-PIPELINING
 <<< 250-STARTTLS
 <<< 250 HELP
 >>> STARTTLS
 <<< 220 TLS go ahead
 >>> EHLO ......
 <<< 250-mta1.es.aau.dk Hello ......
 <<< 250-SIZE 52428800
 <<< 250-PIPELINING
 <<< 250-AUTH PLAIN LOGIN
 <<< 250 HELP

So: Your problem (IMHO) is how to *force* gnus to use STARTTLS 
(encrypted connection) in SMTP session to give it a chance to use
SMTP AUTH (that has worked).

The link below (located after *short* googling) may provide some hints:
http://www.mail-archive.com/info-gnus-english@gnu.org/msg06683.html

-- 
[pl>en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@onet.eu : Andrze.Filip@gmail.com
Go ahead... make my day.
  -- Dirty Harry