From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/7494 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: How many use eMacs and Gnus on daily basis? Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:33:00 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <854pyv1orn.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <2r4f82pi5bsuiv9qfkacrs6hej6iva56u9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1149792064 26925 80.91.229.2 (8 Jun 2006 18:41:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 08 20:41:03 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FoPR3-00040s-KE for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:40:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FoPR3-0000Vp-1R for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:40:49 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!noris.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:aD9xxAIi12U8t5CSemZgQgfIrDA= Original-Lines: 33 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 08 Jun 2006 20:33:30 MEST Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e6582d1.newsread4.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=2_lZ2KZL; N^BJG3c^A]i\Z:ejgIfPPldTjW\KbG]kaMX]kI_X=5KeaVAUd; fU^\_KR1_LiI6ENVa]3>5MOK`O=R[j4kP3U_eY2\ Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:77677 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:7494 Archived-At: notbob writes: > On 2006-06-08, David Z Maze wrote: > >> Emacs when it's added them in as well. XEmacs's other advantage is >> that it comes with an add-on bundle of approximately every elisp >> package out there;........ > > Well, it used to. No longer. Now all those packages must be added > by the user. I recently downloaded and compiled xemacs only to > discover basic functions like calendar, gnus, and dired are not > included. > > I found this disclaier: > > " In order to reduce the size and increase the maintainability of > XEmacs, the majority of the Elisp that came with previous releases > have been unbundled." Well, but they do provide the "sumo tarballs". In principle, this should allow components of XEmacs be updated independently in a more timely manner. In practice, it seems to rather have the effect of developers not being worried about components getting outdated independently. At least XEmacs manages quite more frequent releases and partial updates than Emacs does, but with mixed quality. Arguably the XEmacs development and release process scales quite better to the number of active developers. Unfortunately, developers are a scarce resource for both Emacsen. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum