From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/18848 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Girault Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: on automatic gnus-summary-insert-new-articles after posting Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 21:19:12 -0300 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <8636w2hp1b.fsf@dev.null> References: <86d0v7jrvd.fsf@dev.null> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1532823485 30622 195.159.176.226 (29 Jul 2018 00:18:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 00:18:05 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 29 02:18:01 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fjZPN-0007qx-DJ for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Jul 2018 02:18:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46754 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fjZRT-0001NG-U2 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:20:11 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 62 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 3mjGDhSYUbTHhIThEOANuQ.user.gioia.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.3 Cancel-Lock: sha1:9faQyUWvDPYWcHpZNhXl0QAS8oc= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:89791 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "info-gnus-english" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:18848 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Winston writes: > >> Robert Girault writes: >>> How can I >>> >>> gnus-summary-insert-new-articles >>> >>> automatically after posting? I'd like to see my articles right away in >>> the thread without having to ``/ N'' every time I post. > > Oh I see, I had indeed misunderstood your question. > >> I don't have an answer for the question you asked, but I'll point out >> that, in theory, articles don't necessarily appear for reading instantly >> after you post them. Articles to a moderated group, for example, will >> go to the moderator for approval. Articles to unmoderated groups may be >> subject to input filtering, throttling, indexing for overviews, etc., >> such that the faster you re-check for new articles, the less likely you >> are to find your new one. You could work around the latter issue a bit >> if you can do "sleep N sec, check". > > Right: it's unknown when the message will actually appear. I can't think > of any better trick than a timer (or patience), but it might work better > to do "M-g" (rescan) rather than show old articles. I didn't think very well about it. I think I was having the impression that, in the case of an article I posted myself, Gnus would insert the article because it had a copy of it (since I wrote it). (A hack.) And, in the case of articles coming from the server, it would add them because it received them from the network. This isn't impossible: when eventually my article comes from the network, if it does, Gnus would replace it. But this is undesirable indeed. If my article doesn't ever come, as well pointed out by Winston, I should know. This brings me to a point I've been trying to set up Gnus for. I'd like to keep, for a while, a history of everything I wrote. Saving messages locally isn't good enough because the context is gone. The context is the thread. When I enter a group, I feel lost. I think it's slrn that I've used in the past. When I'd enter a news group, I'd have a clear idea of what's happening --- which threads are growing and which are not. Also, my way of working is to write articles, but only post them after I've reviewed them. I haven't yet acquired skills enough to do that with Gnus. I know it's possible to save them as drafts and send them later, but I'd like to distinguish between partially written messages from messages queued for delivery. I've read An Introduction to Emacs Lisp and I really liked it. I wish there was a book on Gnus. I'm very grateful for the Gnus manual, but I confess that, whenever I stop to read it, I try to make the things it advertises happen, but I fail to do so a good number of the times. So I'm always thinking that I need some sort of education that I don't have in order to read the manual properly. Has anyone ever written a book on Gnus?