From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/11700 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: What's a killed article ? Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:46:22 -0600 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <864p1ek6up.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <878wqx82hp.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87prk74tx9.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86ej0mldi7.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1228755230 12027 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2008 16:53:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 16:53:50 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 08 17:54:54 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L9jNj-0007vp-MP for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:54:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51408 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L9jMY-0005mv-4u for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:53:38 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2!feeder1.news.weretis.net!newsfeeder.dynfx.net!weretis.net!news.albasani.net!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Trace: news.albasani.net 7kA7z2nbakJr/WpoeuSoQ13EzvHk2X6KTldcpQToB3SaClInZ1jYUc2DqG4G3Zcisdy89Tqq4RmBIWeoj0SyRX0ngRSA2JodorjLaBCrGYcJFIkRfythotIDzuJ9OMDq Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@albasani.net Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:46:52 +0000 (UTC) X-User-ID: D5A2DSt85SmoDliexPi0pC/guwAkiy8woAT8Nm1dCcI= X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Cancel-Lock: sha1:y9hPzG/mUIM5oqiPF5lCPb41Oko= sha1:7L6qPCfeY6lKxNHfPU0GFAgSyL8= User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 6u/Z0i5e9RG+wi5zdLsCa6+g3w9XbCL+XDb+puy5ulk= Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:81955 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:11700 Archived-At: On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 22:21:06 +0100 Francis Moreau wrote: FM> Ted Zlatanov writes: >> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:46:32 +0100 Francis Moreau wrote: >> FM> It's sad to see that such notion [killed articles] are left FM> undefined until a late section (SCORING). >> >> To me it was obvious, but I had been using tin for many years when I >> tried Gnus, and in tin the names are similar IIRC. Things like score >> files, threads, and article marks are often assumed to be basic >> knowledge in newsreader manuals. FM> So are you meaning that Gnus is for user that already had an FM> experience with another newsreader ? No, only that the manual assumes some basic knowledge. >> I don't know if the Gnus manuals should remedy that or point to an >> external reference for these terms. FM> Yes definitely. I don't know if the reference should be external or internally contained, though. Any opinions? FM> That said, it's not the only point where I find the documenation FM> obscure or not enough detailed: what's a very wide mail reply for FM> example. I can find ton of such example where you need to dig very FM> deeply the documentation to find such basic things, if the FM> documentation exists at all. OK, we can certainly put together a glossary and use the Texinfo facilities to link terms to their definitions (I don't remember if that's specifically supported but I'm sure something can be arranged). Can you provide a list of terms you personally found challenging? Remember, most readers of the Gnus mailing list and newsgroups are not good test subjects for manual readability :) Thanks Ted