* how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? @ 2008-03-05 2:43 anhnmncb 2008-03-05 10:16 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 2:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Hi, list, I have these lines in .gnus (setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/anhnmncb" :prescript "fetchmail"))) When gnus rechieves mail, the fetchmail's output doesn't show anywhere, I can't know what status it's in, how to configure to let fetchmail's output echo into minibuffer? -- Regards, anhnmncb gpg key: 44A31344 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 2:43 how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 10:16 ` Bastien [not found] ` <86r6epe9ot.fsf@freebsd.hasee.cpu> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: anhnmncb; +Cc: info-gnus-english anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, list, > I have these lines in .gnus > (setq mail-sources > '((file :path "/var/mail/anhnmncb" > :prescript "fetchmail"))) > When gnus rechieves mail, the fetchmail's output doesn't show anywhere, > I can't know what status it's in, how to configure to let fetchmail's > output echo into minibuffer? AFAIK you cannot. (But why do you want to run fetchmail from here?) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <86r6epe9ot.fsf@freebsd.hasee.cpu> @ 2008-03-05 10:55 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.8333.1204714560.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: anhnmncb; +Cc: info-gnus-english (Redirecting to the list, if you don't mind.) anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: > Mails isn't like rss or news, I want to fetch them whenever I want to > read them. But *why*? Fetching them in the background with fetchmail doesn't force you to read them. And if you don't use any fancy notification mechanism, fetching them in the background will just make it faster for Gnus to fetch them in /var/mai/anhmncb While I perfectly understand one wants not to be nagged by incoming emails all the time, I really think fetching them over the network when you want to read them is *not* the solution. > But as you know, the speed of gnus's build-in function for fetchmail is > so slow, especially when using gnutls to fetch(hard to improve?), so I > have to use external app. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8333.1204714560.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2008-03-05 11:18 ` anhnmncb 2008-03-05 11:30 ` Damien Wyart ` (3 more replies) 2008-03-05 11:29 ` anhnmncb 1 sibling, 4 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > Fetching them in the background with fetchmail doesn't force you to read > them. And if you don't use any fancy notification mechanism, fetching > them in the background will just make it faster for Gnus to fetch them > in /var/mai/anhmncb > How to fetch them in the background? Do you mean I throw fetchmail into crontab to let it run every some time? -- Regards, anhnmncb gpg key: 44A31344 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 11:18 ` anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 11:30 ` Damien Wyart 2008-03-05 12:43 ` William Xu [not found] ` <mailman.8338.1204721024.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2008-03-05 11:46 ` Bastien ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Damien Wyart @ 2008-03-05 11:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english * anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> in gnu.emacs.gnus: > How to fetch them in the background? Do you mean I throw fetchmail > into crontab to let it run every some time? No, fetchmail is *designed* to be run in the background ; you just have to configure the default interval it will use between fetching operations. Read a bit throught fetchmail docs, this is really very basic and well documented on many Internet sites. -- DW ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 11:30 ` Damien Wyart @ 2008-03-05 12:43 ` William Xu 2008-03-05 13:16 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.8338.1204721024.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: William Xu @ 2008-03-05 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Damien Wyart <damien.wyart@free.fr> writes: >> How to fetch them in the background? Do you mean I throw fetchmail >> into crontab to let it run every some time? > > No, fetchmail is *designed* to be run in the background ; you just have > to configure the default interval it will use between fetching > operations. Are there many differences between: 1. fetchmail -d $interval 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval ? -- William http://williamxu.net9.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 12:43 ` William Xu @ 2008-03-05 13:16 ` Bastien 2008-03-05 13:37 ` William Xu 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: William Xu; +Cc: info-gnus-english William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> writes: > Are there many differences between: > > 1. fetchmail -d $interval > 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval Not in the result. But surely in the process. My guess is that running fetchmail as a daemon is faster and less resource-consuming. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 13:16 ` Bastien @ 2008-03-05 13:37 ` William Xu 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: William Xu @ 2008-03-05 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> writes: > >> Are there many differences between: >> >> 1. fetchmail -d $interval >> 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval > > Not in the result. But surely in the process. My guess is that running > fetchmail as a daemon is faster and less resource-consuming. "faster", maybe. "resource-consuming", looks like just the opposite. The daemon version will stay in the memory, eating cpu all through its life; the non-daemon just wakes up at the right moment, finish the job, quit. -- William http://williamxu.net9.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8338.1204721024.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2008-03-05 13:12 ` Slackrat 2008-03-05 13:17 ` Damien Wyart 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Slackrat @ 2008-03-05 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english William Xu a écrit profondement: | Are there many differences between: | 1. fetchmail -d $interval // is a daemon 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval // loads a one time fetchmail - but loads it every time the cronjob kicks in -- SlackRat - Just remember: Government works on the principle of doing what makes the least sense ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8338.1204721024.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2008-03-05 13:12 ` Slackrat @ 2008-03-05 13:17 ` Damien Wyart 2008-03-05 16:02 ` William Xu [not found] ` <mailman.8353.1204732956.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Damien Wyart @ 2008-03-05 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english * William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> in gnu.emacs.gnus: > Are there many differences between: > 1. fetchmail -d $interval > 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval Not really (except you will have to start and stop fetchmail each time, but the costs are negligible of course) ; I just feel 2 is less logical and doesn't follow totally the Unix philosophy... This might be a personal opinion, but if a tool as a feature which works, why use another tool to do the same thing? I think many Unix authors would agree with this principe. Btw, my original answer did not mean you MUST NOT do 2, I mainly wanted to point out that 1 exists, which obvisouly the OP did not know. -- DW ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 13:17 ` Damien Wyart @ 2008-03-05 16:02 ` William Xu 2008-03-05 16:07 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.8353.1204732956.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: William Xu @ 2008-03-05 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Damien Wyart <damien.wyart@free.fr> writes: > * William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> in gnu.emacs.gnus: >> Are there many differences between: > >> 1. fetchmail -d $interval >> 2. a cron job running `fetchmail' every $interval > > Not really (except you will have to start and stop fetchmail each time, > but the costs are negligible of course) ; I just feel 2 is less logical > and doesn't follow totally the Unix philosophy... > > This might be a personal opinion, but if a tool as a feature which > works, why use another tool to do the same thing? I think many Unix > authors would agree with this principe. That i raise this question is because recently I'm playing with OS X's launchd daemon controller, which has a nice launch-on-demand feature. I'm not quite sure about which is better. OS X tends to like launch-on-demand. > Btw, my original answer did not mean you MUST NOT do 2, I mainly wanted > to point out that 1 exists, which obvisouly the OP did not know. Okay, I see. It was the word "*designed*" that caught my eyes... -- William http://williamxu.net9.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 16:02 ` William Xu @ 2008-03-05 16:07 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: William Xu; +Cc: info-gnus-english William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> writes: >> This might be a personal opinion, but if a tool as a feature which >> works, why use another tool to do the same thing? I think many Unix >> authors would agree with this principe. > > That i raise this question is because recently I'm playing with OS X's > launchd daemon controller, which has a nice launch-on-demand feature. > I'm not quite sure about which is better. OS X tends to like > launch-on-demand. Argh!... those Mac users... :) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8353.1204732956.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2008-03-05 21:01 ` Aaron Hsu 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Aaron Hsu @ 2008-03-05 21:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english William Xu <william.xwl@gmail.com> writes: > That i raise this question is because recently I'm playing with OS X's > launchd daemon controller, which has a nice launch-on-demand feature. > I'm not quite sure about which is better. OS X tends to like > launch-on-demand. Mac OS X's use of Launch-On-Demand is fine, because the idea that they are trying to get across is only loading things when they have to be loaded. This would work with fetchmail too, if you so wanted. Under the "Mac" philosophy here, having daemons running in the background is find but they should be spawned when incoming connection demand their need. However, there are plenty of times when you might not want to use launch on demand, so take your pick. It's your machine, do as you wish with it. For fetchmail, I think you can configure either a launch daemon to run every so often, or you can have it be persisten and let fetchmail handle that, either way is fine. -- Aaron Hsu <arcfide@sacrideo.us> | Jabber: arcfide@jabber.org ``Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.'' - Frederic Bastiat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 11:18 ` anhnmncb 2008-03-05 11:30 ` Damien Wyart @ 2008-03-05 11:46 ` Bastien [not found] ` <mailman.8336.1204717586.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2008-03-05 15:20 ` Zhenqing Li 3 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 11:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: anhnmncb; +Cc: info-gnus-english anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: > Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > >> Fetching them in the background with fetchmail doesn't force you to read >> them. And if you don't use any fancy notification mechanism, fetching >> them in the background will just make it faster for Gnus to fetch them >> in /var/mai/anhmncb >> > How to fetch them in the background? Add this into your ~/.fetchmailrc : set daemon 1000 ... and yes, reading the fetchmail documentation will also help! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8336.1204717586.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2008-03-05 12:24 ` anhnmncb 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > Add this into your ~/.fetchmailrc : > > set daemon 1000 > > ... and yes, reading the fetchmail documentation will also help! > Thank you, I've got what you mean. -- Regards, anhnmncb gpg key: 44A31344 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 11:18 ` anhnmncb ` (2 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <mailman.8336.1204717586.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2008-03-05 15:20 ` Zhenqing Li 2008-03-05 23:37 ` anhnmncb 3 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Zhenqing Li @ 2008-03-05 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: > Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > >> Fetching them in the background with fetchmail doesn't force you to read >> them. And if you don't use any fancy notification mechanism, fetching >> them in the background will just make it faster for Gnus to fetch them >> in /var/mai/anhmncb >> > How to fetch them in the background? Do you mean I throw > fetchmail into crontab to let it run every some time? > > -- > Regards, > > anhnmncb > gpg key: 44A31344 You can modify your ~/.fetchmailrc and include these into the beginning: set daemon 60 And start the fetchmail script in the initial boot time (put it into /etc/init.d ) -- Zhenqing Li Materials Science & Engineering (Emphasis on Polymer) 161 Sirrine Hall, Clemson University, Clemson, SC, 29634, U.S.A Tel: (864)656-0888, E-mail: zhenqil AT clemson DOT edu ALL WE SEEN IS ILLUSION. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 15:20 ` Zhenqing Li @ 2008-03-05 23:37 ` anhnmncb 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Zhenqing Li <fake-trap-spam@truelie.com> writes: > You can modify your ~/.fetchmailrc and include these into the beginning: > > set daemon 60 > > And start the fetchmail script in the initial boot time (put it into /etc/init.d ) > Although I prefer to cron, but you teached me how to let a app run at the boot time. Thank you! ;p -- Regards, anhnmncb gpg key: 44A31344 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? [not found] ` <mailman.8333.1204714560.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2008-03-05 11:18 ` anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 11:29 ` anhnmncb 2008-03-05 11:47 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: > >> Mails isn't like rss or news, I want to fetch them whenever I want to >> read them. > > But *why*? > If I don't fetch rss for a long time, say 7 days, It's likely I will miss many news. But for mail, I could get them without losing any of them. -- Regards, anhnmncb gpg key: 44A31344 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: how to let fetchmail's output shown in minibar? 2008-03-05 11:29 ` anhnmncb @ 2008-03-05 11:47 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2008-03-05 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: anhnmncb; +Cc: info-gnus-english anhnmncb <anhnmncb@gmail.com> writes: >>> Mails isn't like rss or news, I want to fetch them whenever I want to >>> read them. >> >> But *why*? >> > If I don't fetch rss for a long time, say 7 days, It's likely I will > miss many news. But for mail, I could get them without losing any of > them. Sorry I don't understand. You won't miss any any by fetching them behind the back of Gnus. It will just make it faster for Gnus to read them from /var/mail/you. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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