Re: tags, keywords, annotations

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:43:53 -0500 Austin Frank <austin.frank@gmail.com> wrote: 

AF> One solution seems to be adding headers to mails (either X-tags or
AF> X-keywords).  I've tried to do this by just hitting 'e' in the summary
AF> buffer, but get a message that the backend (nnimap) doesn't support
AF> editing.  Is there a way to insert new headers into a mail from within
AF> gnus (specifically, one that works for nnimap)?

This is actually a nice general functionality to have, and I'd like to
get to it eventually if no one else does.  But currently only a few
backends support editing, and nnimap is not one of them.

Ted

tags, keywords, annotations

[Austin Frank]

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Hello!

I'm looking for some additional options for organizing my emails.
Splitting rules give me a very coarse-grained organization of my
correspondences, but I'd like to have more flexibility.  Call me a
hopeless follower of trends, but the solution I have in mind is to add
tags to my email.  This has been done successfully for Apple Mail [1]
and for Thunderbird [2].

One solution seems to be adding headers to mails (either X-tags or
X-keywords).  I've tried to do this by just hitting 'e' in the summary
buffer, but get a message that the backend (nnimap) doesn't support
editing.  Is there a way to insert new headers into a mail from within
gnus (specifically, one that works for nnimap)?

I'd also like to be able to limit and search by these headers.  I hope
that eventually mairix will add the ability to index arbitrary headers
[3], but another approach might be to also store the tags using IMAP's
Keywords.  Is there a way to use gnus to add IMAP keywords to a message?

Thanks for any help!
/au

Footnotes:
[1]  http://indev.ca/MailTags.html

[2]  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/1832

[3]  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=20070306164141.GA22907%40polaris.nrao.edu

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Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Bastien]

Austin Frank <austin.frank@gmail.com> writes:

> Call me a hopeless follower of trends, but the solution I have in mind
> is to add tags to my email.

You hopeless follower of trends!  <grin>

IIRC Ted Zlatanov proposed to store labels/tags like todo/waiting/done
thru the gnus-registry.  Hopefully for 2008.

Another solution would be to use the Gnus bookmark facility with
annotations: (setq gnus-bookmark-use-annotations `t') This lets you 
list your bookmarks and search through your annotations.

BTW, gnus-bookmark.el has been in the CVS for a while now, but there 
is nothing on it in the Gnus manual.  If people request it, I might 
work on it this month.  Some keybindings and menu items would be 
also great.

-- 
Bastien

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 08:44:26 +0000 Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: 

B> Austin Frank <austin.frank@gmail.com> writes:
>> Call me a hopeless follower of trends, but the solution I have in mind
>> is to add tags to my email.

B> You hopeless follower of trends!  <grin>

B> IIRC Ted Zlatanov proposed to store labels/tags like todo/waiting/done
B> thru the gnus-registry.  Hopefully for 2008.

It's done on the backend, but I need to do the following (no time yet):

- provide good frontend functionality (set/delete/list tags, plus some
  way to see the tags in the summary view).  This is 50% done.

- document this plus the other things gnus-registry.el does

B> BTW, gnus-bookmark.el has been in the CVS for a while now, but there 
B> is nothing on it in the Gnus manual.  If people request it, I might 
B> work on it this month.  Some keybindings and menu items would be 
B> also great.

As an aside, you or someone else could easily integrate gnus-bookmark.el
with the Gnus registry (it seems that it uses a special file now).  The
registry allows you to store arbitrary data associated with a message
ID, so you could have a 'bookmark extra data entry.  Let me know if
you're interested and I'll help you any way I can.

Ted

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Bastien]

Hi Ted,

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> B> IIRC Ted Zlatanov proposed to store labels/tags like todo/waiting/done
> B> thru the gnus-registry.  Hopefully for 2008.
>
> It's done on the backend, but I need to do the following (no time yet):
>
> - provide good frontend functionality (set/delete/list tags, plus some
>   way to see the tags in the summary view).  This is 50% done.

I'm really looking forward this.  

I'm using org-mode to integrate my Gnus emails into my workflow.  For
now, I'm just calling `org-remember' in the summary buffer: it adds a
reference to the email in my Org file -- which is fine, most of the
time.  

For me, a better system would be one that lets me add a TODO label to
the email, then let an org-mode task refer to all TODO labeled emails.

I'm quite acquainted with Org.el and could perhaps help in making it
aware of gnus-registry labels.

> B> BTW, gnus-bookmark.el has been in the CVS for a while now, but there 
> B> is nothing on it in the Gnus manual.  If people request it, I might 
> B> work on it this month.  Some keybindings and menu items would be 
> B> also great.
>
> As an aside, you or someone else could easily integrate gnus-bookmark.el
> with the Gnus registry (it seems that it uses a special file now).  The
> registry allows you to store arbitrary data associated with a message
> ID, so you could have a 'bookmark extra data entry.  Let me know if
> you're interested and I'll help you any way I can.

Good idea.  I'll work on gnus-bookmark this week-end, I let you know if
I need help about the latest functions in gnus-registry.el.

Thanks!

-- 
Bastien

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:34:31 +0000 Bastien <bzg@altern.org> wrote: 

B> I'm using org-mode to integrate my Gnus emails into my workflow.  For
B> now, I'm just calling `org-remember' in the summary buffer: it adds a
B> reference to the email in my Org file -- which is fine, most of the
B> time.  

B> For me, a better system would be one that lets me add a TODO label to
B> the email, then let an org-mode task refer to all TODO labeled emails.

B> I'm quite acquainted with Org.el and could perhaps help in making it
B> aware of gnus-registry labels.

Currently I don't keep a reverse cache by flag, so you'd have to go
through the whole registry to find the articles with a particular flag.
This can be corrected, if you think it's necessary.  I already do this
reverse caching by subject and by sender for example, and update the
reverse cache when message IDs are added or deleted.

Ted

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Anton Kulchitsky]

What is the difference or an advantage of org-mode compare to planner?
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Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Bastien]

Anton Kulchitsky <anton@kulchitsky.org> writes:

> What is the difference or an advantage of org-mode compare to planner?

[A bit offtopic and offthread.]

There are many differences, the more obvious one (and surely the less
relevant) being that Org is part of Emacs.  The difference is easy to
figure out when you try both, but not that easy to describe out of the
blue. 

For a quick overview:

  http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/emacs-planner-org.html

-- 
Bastien

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[carsten.dominik]

On Jan 21, 10:40 pm, Bastien <b...@altern.org> wrote:
> Anton Kulchitsky <an...@kulchitsky.org> writes:
> > What is the difference or an advantage oforg-modecompare to planner?
>
> [A bit offtopic and offthread.]
>
> There are many differences, the more obvious one (and surely the less
> relevant) being that Org is part ofEmacs.  The difference is easy to
> figure out when you try both, but not that easy to describe out of the
> blue.
>
> For a quick overview:
>
>  http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/emacs-planner-org.html
>
> --
> Bastien

Some more input about this question can be found here

http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/

- Carsten

Re: tags, keywords, annotations

[Anton Kulchitsky]

> On Jan 21, 10:40 pm, Bastien <b...@altern.org> wrote:
>> Anton Kulchitsky <an...@kulchitsky.org> writes:
>> > What is the difference or an advantage oforg-modecompare to planner?
>>
>> [A bit offtopic and offthread.]
>>
>> There are many differences, the more obvious one (and surely the less
>> relevant) being that Org is part ofEmacs.  The difference is easy to
>> figure out when you try both, but not that easy to describe out of the
>> blue.
>>
>> For a quick overview:
>>
>>  http://www.cognition.ens.fr/~guerry/emacs-planner-org.html
>>

Thank you very much. Sacha switched to Org :(. That says much to me. I
did not even try it being pretty happy with planner. However, I would
really like some more overview and everything in one place. Thanks
again and sorry for offtopic.

>> --
>> Bastien
>
> Some more input about this question can be found here
>
> http://sachachua.com/wp/2007/12/26/emacs-choosing-between-org-and-planner/
>
> - Carsten

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