From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/9110 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jadamson@partners.org (Joel J. Adamson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: emacs, Gnus, sendmail ? Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:39:55 -0400 Organization: Harvard University Message-ID: <871wgnano4.fsf@W0053328.mgh.harvard.edu> References: <1181187350.287690@vasbyt.isdsl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1181223628 9512 80.91.229.12 (7 Jun 2007 13:40:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 07 15:40:25 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HwIDv-0001xZ-5P for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:40:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwIDu-0005in-FA for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:40:22 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.mi.ras.ru!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!uio.no!quimby.gnus.org!news.ccs.neu.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.harvard.edu!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 73 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: w0053328.mgh.harvard.edu Original-X-Trace: plato.harvard.edu 1181223596 15201 132.183.29.121 (7 Jun 2007 13:39:56 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: news@plato.harvard.edu Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:39:56 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <1181187350.287690@vasbyt.isdsl.net> (news@absamail.co.za's message of "Wed\, 06 Jun 2007 22\:35\:53 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:liynxvh6HJqwqAOsfs/VFPXJy6M= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:79294 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:9110 Archived-At: news@absamail.co.za writes: > I'm logged in as root [since I need freedom to setup the various > parameters], but I've got no /root/.gnus.el file; so I created one > containing the recommended: > '(setq gnus....'(nntp " ...."). > But still I only see the 'can't contect to server' error. You don't need to set up anything for Emacs as root. You absolutely have to set stuff up for Emacs as a user (all the configurations are read from your home directory). Besides the security issues (i.e., you might delete your entire filesystem), nothing will work if you set it up as root (as you've discovered). > Also emacs apparently uses sendmail to send mail. It only uses sendmail if you've set up sendmail (the Unix program). Otherwise it uses sendmail.el (`slocate sendmail.el`) > But the 'return-path/from' fields are not configured. > And sendmail.cf is a 57K monster ! You're talking about sendmail the system program; Emacs has its own sendmail functions (see above). > How is THIS problem to be fixed ? Configure -> play around -> configure -> play around -> configure -> testing (this used to be called playing around but now you've found a systematic way to do it) Or, the alternative: configure -> play around -> throw hands up -> configure -> lose mail -> configure -> throw hands way up -> lose more mail -> use Thunderbird. > And what fascinates me, is that after all the labour invested, > the bleeding-edge-boys say "you must keep updated". Well, don't pay attention to the bleeding edge boys -- they have time to play around and lose data. Emacs 22.1 is out now and it's plenty updated -- it's friggin' fantastic -- and it's so damn stable that things work now that never worked before in previously "stable" versions (like AucTeX suddenly does whatever I ask, weird ;)) > I.e install the latest version and re-do all the re-configuration ?! Besides that you DON'T lose your configuration if you do it as a user: it's all saved as .files (e.g., .emacs, .gnus, .vm, .your-face, .gtkrc-2.0). I upgraded first from XEmacs 21.4.19 to Emacs 21.4 (believe me, that WAS an upgrade) and then from Emacs 21.4 to Emacs 22.1 and in the second upgrade, I only had to fix three pieces of .emacs. On top of that I decided that now I like the scrollbars, toolbars and menubar, since they're GTK. This is not the bleeding edge: it's pretty damn stable. > Any advice on how to fix-it appreciated. My advice: I know you're frustrated, but you will be better off for your frustration if you read the manuals, get into Emacs lisp (how the program really works) and HUMBLY ask for help, instead of trying to piss off the people who can help you. Joel -- Joel J. Adamson Biostatistician Pediatric Psychopharmacology Research Unit Massachusetts General Hospital Boston, MA 02114 (617) 643-1432 (303) 880-3109