From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11972 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2022 11:42:00 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Apr 2022 11:42:00 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1]:55770 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfgoQ-0002BG-I6 for ml@inbox.vuxu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2022 07:41:58 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50408) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfgoB-0002B7-Vd for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2022 07:41:45 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:37842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nfgo9-0001Y7-UF for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2022 07:41:43 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nfgo8-000AAx-2T for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:41:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Subject: Re: How to subsribe to a general mailing list? Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 13:41:31 +0200 Message-ID: <8735idp85w.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87ee22a41n.fsf@penguin> <87tuaxput3.fsf@zoho.eu> <87czhjiyv6.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> <8735idtgvg.fsf@tullinup.koldfront.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nQgG1eeqxh1UrKE9edwvuHuVUH4= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: "info-gnus-english" Reply-to: Emanuel Berg From: Emanuel Berg via "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" Adam Sjøgren wrote: >> I hesitate to do this because I don't want to store the >> mailing list in my mail inbox. > > What people usually do is to "split" (filter) email for > a mailing list into a separate "group" (folder). But that is a poor-man's solution, it will have to be setup manually, and retrieval will be non-selective. Gnus can do much better than than with Gmane which is the specific tool to solve this exact situation; also, it comes with a bunch of other advantages. Remember, Gnus is to Emacs users what Emacs is to computer users ... >> If I subscribe to the list, then the only way (that I know) >> to remove the mails from my mail inbox is to delete them. >> But, what if I want to read the unsubscribed mailing list >> again in the future? Re-subscribing to the list won't send >> me the old mails again. So I need some way to read the >> entire mailing list. > > That's the situation where Gmane is handy - as it is keeps > being subscribed to a mailing list regardless of whether you > - or anybody else - is reading it, so it has all the emails > back to when the group was created in Gmane. It is much better, not the least/especially in terms of the interface. >> I mean I do not have the ability to freely manipulate the >> contents on the server. For example, I have to request to >> add some mailing lists to the server. How am I in control >> of that? What if I want to subscribe to some mailing list >> that I don't wish others to know that I want to >> subscribe to? > > Ah yes, in those cases using a public service is out of > the question. You mean the admin of Gmane? Because everyone else don't know. Or if they do, please tell me what 16 MLs/newsgroups and 1 blog I currently subscribe to thru Gmane/Gwene and the news.gmane.io server? But this objection is silly to begin with ... >> Moreover, if I later don't want to subscribe to the mailing >> list, could I remove the list from the gmane server? > > No - you can unsubscribe (and forget about the group), but > somebody else might be reading the mailing list via Gmane - > if you could remove it, you'd annoy anybody else who > subscribed to the group in the meantime. Right - on the contrary, with Gnus and Gmane, killing or unsubscribing to a group is one keystroke away. But better yet, it isn't needed even since if you don't visit the groups, nothing happens. This is what I mentioned above, altho from the other side of it, with Gmane, retrieval is selective. >> why can users add arbitrary mailing lists to the server? > > To me it feels very much like a "I would like to use this > myself, so I built it. Maybe others would like to use it as > well, feel free to do so"-project. Although I don't know > what Lars' motivations were/are. It is to simplify/speed up the process. Either people don't abuse it, or if they do to some very small extent, there are automatic or manual checks to correct it. It is a tool for Emacs Gnus users. Compare "there are [were?] no viruses for Linux". >> I think the server only has a limited amout of spaces, so >> that the user can only add a limited amount of mailing >> lists to the server? > > There are only a limited amount of mailing lists on > the internet. > > And the emails on those lists are (mainly) written by > people. People can only type so much. > > Plus: have you looked at the sizes of harddisks these days? > You can store a _lot_ of emails in a couple of terabytes. Ha! Dear OP, just try it before you make up objections. To quote the barrel racer, just try - and you will fly! >> Or does gmane know some alchemical magic to handle an >> unlimited amount of subscriptions to mailing lists? > > Luckily there aren't an unlimited supply of mailing lists, > and there aren't an unlimited number of mailing lists that > people are interested in reading through Gmane. > > So although resources aren't unlimited, neither is the need > for capacity. > > I would guess that storage was much more a problem in the > beginning of Gmane (20 years ago!) than now :-) > > This discussion has become only tangentially Gnus related, > it might make sense to switch to the gmane.discuss group on > news.gmane.io? :-) The problem isn't your answers but the OP - or should I call him the PO? - 's inside-out attitude. Trust us, if you are a Gnus user, Gmane is what you are looking for. It is there especially for your use-case. Just do us all a favor and try it instead of making up made-up objections. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal