From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/14377 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yuri D'Elia Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Reply to self behavior Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:46:45 +0100 Message-ID: <874oa5lbui.fsf@savara.sat.thregr.org> References: <871v59adu4.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> <87r5d9ocyg.fsf@savara.sat.thregr.org> <87mxnxo8fs.fsf@savara.sat.thregr.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293054431 23674 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2010 21:47:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:47:11 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 22:47:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVWWW-0002XX-NU for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:47:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39524 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVWWW-00060E-3B for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:47:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51494 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVWWT-0005zw-2D for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:47:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PVWWR-00080P-3y for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:47:00 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:41843) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PVWWQ-000808-Ou for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:46:59 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVWWO-0002Uk-NO for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:46:56 +0100 Original-Received: from 88-149-141-80.dynamic.ngi.it ([88.149.141.80]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:46:56 +0100 Original-Received: from wavexx by 88-149-141-80.dynamic.ngi.it with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 22:46:56 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 43 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 88-149-141-80.dynamic.ngi.it User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fx2cb1ud8XNZjbkf0Rnr0NsmFTA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:14377 Archived-At: On Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:55 -0600, Tommy Kelly wrote: >> You know, I went away from Gnus around 4-5 years ago because my .gnus >> reached >10k. I was fairly proficient back then but figured there *had* >> to be a mail client with those 10k as defaults. Also, I wanted something >> that had GUI written all over it. > > That's a lot of .gnus. It sounds like you were a bit of a ninja. Why > give that up simply for a GUI? Not just for the GUI of course, I tried all sorts of clients. I'm particularly fond of mutt and slrn. It's just that there seems no end to customizing Gnus. At some point I was wondering whether, just maybe, there was a better way to read mail (as in 'mail as news', emacs interface, groups, hooks, etc), and whether this way would require less customization overall. If you fire up mutt, it's email-1-2-3! And the defaults are quite good. Learning Gnus requires quite some effort. Customizing Gnus even more. After investing so much time you become entrenched. How many Gnus users actually gave wanderlust a try, for example? (and vice-versa?) I had the impression that Gnus was a sealed world in need of some fresh air. After taking a look around, I'd say there is room for improvement in some areas (_real_ format=flowed support anyone? it's supported since 199? in outlook), but overall the flexibility you have pays off. But if you are an average user with average needs, finding an existing client which works almost the way you want is waaay faster (and there is a lot to choose from). > My theory as to why I should try it now when I gave up in the past is > that now I'm more determined to push through this initial learning phase > to get (I hope) to a level of competency where I can at least do > *slightly* better than the other clients I've used, before developing > enough ability to be able to do a *lot* better. Honestly, it's quite easy to do better than thunderbird, gmail (and most GTK linux client anyway). And that's unfortunate, because a GUI *should* give you more in the same space. A serious contender, in my opinion, would be mutt and maybe some other console-based clients.