Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[Rainer M Krug]

Hi

I am not able to post on newsgroups via gmane. I can email to the
mailing list, but not post a new post or follow up via gmane. Below is
my .gnus.el, and I subscribed to the gmane mailing lists via B in the
groups buffer.

Any suggestions?

I have the following .gnus.el:

##########
(require 'nnir)

(setq user-mail-address "R.M.Krug@gmail.com")
(setq user-full-name "Rainer M Krug")

(setq gnus-select-method 
	     '(nnimap "gmail"
		      (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")
		      (nnimap-server-port 993)
		      (nnimap-stream ssl)
		      (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo")))

;; Configure outbound mail (SMTP)
(setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 nil nil))
      smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
      smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com"
      send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it
      smtpmail-smtp-service 587
      smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 "R.M.Krug@gmail.com" nil))
      smtpmail-debug-info t
      smtpmail-debug-verb t
      )

;; set renderer for html mail to w3m in emacs
(setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m)

;; set gnus-parameter
(setq gnus-parameters
      '(("nnimap\+gmail/.*"
         (gnus-use-scoring nil)
	 (display . all))
        ))
##########

Thanks,

Rainer

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Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[W. Greenhouse]

Hi Rainer,

Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Hi
>
> I am not able to post on newsgroups via gmane. I can email to the
> mailing list, but not post a new post or follow up via gmane. Below is
> my .gnus.el, and I subscribed to the gmane mailing lists via B in the
> groups buffer.
>
> Any suggestions?

What happens when you try to post, exactly?  What should happen is that,
after sending an NNTP message for the first time to a particular Gmane
newsgroup, you get a confirmation mail at the address you specified in
"From:" which must be a valid email address.  You must reply to that
confirmation message within a certain time (10 days, I believe) to have
your message posted.  After that, you should be able to post to that
group at any time without submitting a confirmation.

There is nothing obviously amiss with your configuration that would
prevent this from working.  Perhaps it is an issue on the Gmane end.
For instance, you could check that your network is not on the block list
at http://gmane.org/denied.php.  If you see your network there, you can
use the web interface to post to the `gmane.discuss' newsgroup to
request a resolution ( http://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss ).

Best,
Will

-- 
BOFH excuse #309:

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Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[Rainer M Krug]

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Hi Rainer,
>
> Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am not able to post on newsgroups via gmane. I can email to the
>> mailing list, but not post a new post or follow up via gmane. Below is
>> my .gnus.el, and I subscribed to the gmane mailing lists via B in the
>> groups buffer.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> What happens when you try to post, exactly?  What should happen is that,

Nothing - the message with the following headers:

From: Rainer M Krug <R.M.Krug@gmail.com>
Subject: Displaying all mail
Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:57:31 +0100 (19 hours, 23 minutes, 20 seconds ago)
Fcc: /home/rkrug/Maildir/sent

is copied into the nnfolder+archive.sent.2013-03 but does not go
through.

> after sending an NNTP message for the first time to a particular Gmane
> newsgroup, you get a confirmation mail at the address you specified in
> "From:" which must be a valid email address.  You must reply to that

I did not receive any mail, and I can post to to the mailing from thunderbird so I assume that
I should be able from gnus as well.

> confirmation message within a certain time (10 days, I believe) to have
> your message posted.  After that, you should be able to post to that
> group at any time without submitting a confirmation.
>
> There is nothing obviously amiss with your configuration that would
> prevent this from working.  

Thant's good to hear (or not).

> Perhaps it is an issue on the Gmane end.
> For instance, you could check that your network is not on the block list
> at http://gmane.org/denied.php.  If you see your network there, you can
> use the web interface to post to the `gmane.discuss' newsgroup to
> request a resolution ( http://news.gmane.org/gmane.discuss ).

Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but
not thunderbird.

>
> Best,
> Will

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :       +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:       +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :       +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):    +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:      Rainer@krugs.de

Skype:      RMkrug

Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[W. Greenhouse]

Hi Rainer,

Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Nothing - the message with the following headers:
>
> From: Rainer M Krug <R.M.Krug-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> Subject: Displaying all mail
> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user
> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:57:31 +0100 (19 hours, 23 minutes, 20 seconds ago)
> Fcc: /home/rkrug/Maildir/sent
>
> is copied into the nnfolder+archive.sent.2013-03 but does not go
> through.
>
>> after sending an NNTP message for the first time to a particular Gmane
>> newsgroup, you get a confirmation mail at the address you specified in
>> "From:" which must be a valid email address.  You must reply to that
>
> I did not receive any mail, and I can post to to the mailing from
> thunderbird so I assume that I should be able from gnus as well.

My hypothesis, then, is that Gmane does try to send you the confirmation
message but that this ends up in your Gmail spam folder.  Did you check
there?

> Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but
> not thunderbird.

To clarify, are you posting directly to the mailing list with
Thunderbird, or to Gmane?  Being blocked from Gmane and blocked from the
"upstream" mailing list are not the same thing; that's completely
different machines, with different administrators, and potentially
different lists of IPs suspected of spam.

Your description of the order of events, though, makes it sound like the
message was delivered to Gmane but the required confirmation email was
mislaid somehow.

Best,
Will

-- 
BOFH excuse #150:

Arcserve crashed the server again.

Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[Rainer M Krug]

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Hi Rainer,
>
> Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Nothing - the message with the following headers:
>>
>> From: Rainer M Krug <R.M.Krug@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Displaying all mail
>> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user
>> Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:57:31 +0100 (19 hours, 23 minutes, 20 seconds ago)
>> Fcc: /home/rkrug/Maildir/sent
>>
>> is copied into the nnfolder+archive.sent.2013-03 but does not go
>> through.
>>
>>> after sending an NNTP message for the first time to a particular Gmane
>>> newsgroup, you get a confirmation mail at the address you specified in
>>> "From:" which must be a valid email address.  You must reply to that
>>
>> I did not receive any mail, and I can post to to the mailing from
>> thunderbird so I assume that I should be able from gnus as well.
>
> My hypothesis, then, is that Gmane does try to send you the confirmation
> message but that this ends up in your Gmail spam folder.  Did you check
> there?

Yes - I checked there just now and nothing was in there. In addition, I
assume that the email would have been send via my (only) smtp account
which is gmail, and the mail should have been in the "Send Items" -
nothing there (checked via the web interface as well).

>
>> Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but
>> not thunderbird.
>
> To clarify, are you posting directly to the mailing list with
> Thunderbird, or to Gmane?  

via gmane on thunderbird.

> Being blocked from Gmane and blocked from the
> "upstream" mailing list are not the same thing; that's completely
> different machines, with different administrators, and potentially
> different lists of IPs suspected of spam.

Sure - two different receivers.

>
> Your description of the order of events, though, makes it sound like the
> message was delivered to Gmane but the required confirmation email was
> mislaid somehow.

I thought the same - but I did not see any.

Any suggestions how I can check this?

Rainer

>
> Best,
> Will

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :       +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:       +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :       +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):    +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:      Rainer@krugs.de

Skype:      RMkrug

Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[W. Greenhouse]

Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Yes - I checked there just now and nothing was in there. In addition, I
> assume that the email would have been send via my (only) smtp account
> which is gmail, and the mail should have been in the "Send Items" -
> nothing there (checked via the web interface as well).

Except it's not an email.  It's a Usenet article. :)

Messages to Gmane (or any NNTP server) don't travel through SMTP at all,
so it would never get the chance to show up in Gmail's Sent box.  With
newsgroups, the NNTP stream is used both to send and to receive
messages.  Gmail is not in the loop for this communication at
all--except when Gmane detects that a particular sender has never posted
to that group before, and sends an email to the From: address for
verification.

>>> Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but
>>> not thunderbird.
>>
>> To clarify, are you posting directly to the mailing list with
>> Thunderbird, or to Gmane?  
>
> via gmane on thunderbird.

Ah, Thunderbird was using NNTP, then?  Then that's especially peculiar.

>> Being blocked from Gmane and blocked from the
>> "upstream" mailing list are not the same thing; that's completely
>> different machines, with different administrators, and potentially
>> different lists of IPs suspected of spam.
>
> Sure - two different receivers.
>
>>
>> Your description of the order of events, though, makes it sound like the
>> message was delivered to Gmane but the required confirmation email was
>> mislaid somehow.
>
> I thought the same - but I did not see any.
>
> Any suggestions how I can check this?
>
> Rainer

I would check your NNTP configuration.  Maybe rather than using the
"browse foreign groups" feature, you can set things up explicitly.
Below are some known working settings for Gmane.

While keeping Gmail as your primary select method, try

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nntp "news.gmane.org"
              (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
              (nntp-port-number 563))))

Other NNTP servers can be added later along a similar pattern.

-- 
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The static electricity routing is acting up...

Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?

[Rainer M. Krug]

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Rainer M Krug <r.m.krug@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Yes - I checked there just now and nothing was in there. In addition, I
>> assume that the email would have been send via my (only) smtp account
>> which is gmail, and the mail should have been in the "Send Items" -
>> nothing there (checked via the web interface as well).
>
> Except it's not an email.  It's a Usenet article. :)
>
> Messages to Gmane (or any NNTP server) don't travel through SMTP at all,
> so it would never get the chance to show up in Gmail's Sent box.  With
> newsgroups, the NNTP stream is used both to send and to receive
> messages.  Gmail is not in the loop for this communication at
> all--except when Gmane detects that a particular sender has never posted
> to that group before, and sends an email to the From: address for
> verification.

Makes sense - explains why they are not there. 


>
>>>> Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but
>>>> not thunderbird.
>>>
>>> To clarify, are you posting directly to the mailing list with
>>> Thunderbird, or to Gmane?  
>>
>> via gmane on thunderbird.
>
> Ah, Thunderbird was using NNTP, then?  Then that's especially
> peculiar.

Yup - it did.

>
>>> Being blocked from Gmane and blocked from the
>>> "upstream" mailing list are not the same thing; that's completely
>>> different machines, with different administrators, and potentially
>>> different lists of IPs suspected of spam.
>>
>> Sure - two different receivers.
>>
>>>
>>> Your description of the order of events, though, makes it sound like the
>>> message was delivered to Gmane but the required confirmation email was
>>> mislaid somehow.
>>
>> I thought the same - but I did not see any.
>>
>> Any suggestions how I can check this?
>>
>> Rainer
>
> I would check your NNTP configuration.  Maybe rather than using the
> "browse foreign groups" feature, you can set things up explicitly.
> Below are some known working settings for Gmane.
>
> While keeping Gmail as your primary select method, try
>
> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
>       '((nntp "news.gmane.org"
>               (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream)
>               (nntp-port-number 563))))
>

Did it, but still can't send via the newsserver. But I stick with email
at the moment and will evaluate later.

Thanks,

Rainer


> Other NNTP servers can be added later along a similar pattern.

-- 
Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany)

Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
Stellenbosch University
South Africa

Tel :       +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44
Cell:       +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98
Fax :       +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44

Fax (D):    +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44

email:      Rainer@krugs.de

Skype:      RMkrug