prompts when moving articles etc

prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap: in
the echo area.  I would prefer something like nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
instead (otherwise I need to type a lot, it seems).  Where do I
configure this?

Thanks,

SA
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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:

> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap: in
> the echo area.  I would prefer something like nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.

SA

Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Tassilo Horn]

stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:

Hi!

>> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
>> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap:
>> in the echo area.  I would prefer something like
>> nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.

Looking at the code it seems you can set the variable
`gnus-current-move-group' to "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/".  A good place
to do this on a group specific way would be `gnus-parameters'.

,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
| The group parameters store information local to a particular group.
`----

Oh, this first message of the docs is not really correct.  You can store
informations local to a group of groups that are matched by a given
regexp.

@Reiner: Should I fix that in Emacs' CVS (23.0.50) where I have access,
so that it will be synched after a while?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, Dec 17 2007, Stein Arild Strømme wrote:

> stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:
>> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
>> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap: in
>> the echo area.  I would prefer something like nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
>                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.

,----[ (info "(gnus)Mail Group Commands") ]
|    If you move (or copy) articles regularly, you might wish to have Gnus
| suggest where to put the articles.  `gnus-move-split-methods' is a
| variable that uses the same syntax as `gnus-split-methods' (*note
| Saving Articles::).  You may customize that variable to create
| suggestions you find reasonable.  (Note that `gnus-move-split-methods'
| uses group names where `gnus-split-methods' uses file names.)
`----

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Group parameters / `gnus-parameters' (was: prompts when moving articles etc)

[Reiner Steib]

On Tue, Dec 18 2007, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> A good place to do this on a group specific way would be
> `gnus-parameters'.
>
> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
> | The group parameters store information local to a particular group.
> `----
>
> Oh, this first message of the docs is not really correct.  

I think it is correct because it refers to the group parameters you
set via `G p' or `G c' ...

,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
|    Use the `G p' or the `G c' command to edit group parameters of a
| group.  (`G p' presents you with a Lisp-based interface, `G c' presents
| you with a Customize-like interface.  The latter helps avoid silly Lisp
| errors.)  You might also be interested in reading about topic
| parameters (*note Topic Parameters::).
`----

... in contrast to the variable `gnus-parameters':

,----[ (info "(gnus)Group Parameters") ]
|    Group parameters can be set via the `gnus-parameters' variable too.
`----

> You can store informations local to a group of groups that are
> matched by a given regexp.

Maybe reordering the text and adding a note about `gnus-parameters'
near the beginning of the node would make it more clear?

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- gnus.texi.~6.603.2.144.~	2007-12-14 22:43:49.000000000 +0100
+++ gnus.texi	2007-12-18 12:41:52.000000000 +0100
@@ -2717,6 +2717,15 @@
 @cindex group parameters
 
 The group parameters store information local to a particular group.
+
+Use the @kbd{G p} or the @kbd{G c} command to edit group parameters of a
+group.  (@kbd{G p} presents you with a Lisp-based interface, @kbd{G c}
+presents you with a Customize-like interface.  The latter helps avoid
+silly Lisp errors.)  You might also be interested in reading about topic
+parameters (@pxref{Topic Parameters}).
+Additionally, you can set group parameters via the
+@code{gnus-parameters} variable, see below.
+
 Here's an example group parameter list:
 
 @example
@@ -3083,12 +3092,6 @@
 
 @end table
 
-Use the @kbd{G p} or the @kbd{G c} command to edit group parameters of a
-group.  (@kbd{G p} presents you with a Lisp-based interface, @kbd{G c}
-presents you with a Customize-like interface.  The latter helps avoid
-silly Lisp errors.)  You might also be interested in reading about topic
-parameters (@pxref{Topic Parameters}).
-
 @vindex gnus-parameters
 Group parameters can be set via the @code{gnus-parameters} variable too.
 But some variables, such as @code{visible}, have no effect (For this

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

> @Reiner: Should I fix that in Emacs' CVS (23.0.50) where I have access,
> so that it will be synched after a while?

For doc-fixes, the EMACS_22_BASE branch (or v5-10 in Gnus CVS) would
be more suitable.

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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Martin Fischer]

  >>>>> Stein Arild Strømme writes:
  > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:42:34 +0100

  > I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
  > message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap: in
  > the echo area.  I would prefer something like nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
  > instead (otherwise I need to type a lot, it seems).  Where do I
  > configure this?

Hi,

that echo area has a history, which you may access with the cursor
keys.

Martin
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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

[Tassilo Horn]

| stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:
| 
| Hi!
| 
| >> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
| >> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap:
| >> in the echo area.  I would prefer something like
| >> nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
| >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| > that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.
| 
| Looking at the code it seems you can set the variable
| `gnus-current-move-group' to "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/".  

Thanks for that tip, but it does not do what I want!

`gnus-current-move-group' is the suggested default for moving
messages, usually taking the value of the last group I moved something
into.  I'm happy with that behaviour.

What I want to change is the prompt -- that needs to be completed --
if I move to somewhere *other* than last time.  All of the relevant
target groups reside within "mail", with names like
"nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/work", "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/amm",
"nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/private" etc.

SA
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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Tassilo Horn]

stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:

> | >> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
> | >> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap:
> | >> in the echo area.  I would prefer something like
> | >> nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
> | >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> | > that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.
> | 
> | Looking at the code it seems you can set the variable
> | `gnus-current-move-group' to "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/".  
>
> Thanks for that tip, but it does not do what I want!
>
> `gnus-current-move-group' is the suggested default for moving
> messages, usually taking the value of the last group I moved something
> into.  I'm happy with that behaviour.
>
> What I want to change is the prompt -- that needs to be completed --
> if I move to somewhere *other* than last time.

Hm, the function in gnus-move-group-prefix-function does the job of
inserting the part to complete.  Here, if I want to move an article in
nnmaildir+Fastmail:INBOX.foo, it will use "nnmaildir+Fastmail:" as
default, which is nearly what you want (the mail/ is missing).

Do you have several nnimap servers, one unnamed, and want to move an
article from a group of the unnamed server?  That would explain the
behaviour you see.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Group parameters / `gnus-parameters'

[Tassilo Horn]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

Hi Reiner,

> Maybe reordering the text and adding a note about `gnus-parameters'
> near the beginning of the node would make it more clear?
>
> [Patch]

Yes, that patch makes it clearer.  Now every possibility is introduced
on the first page.

>> @Reiner: Should I fix that in Emacs' CVS (23.0.50) where I have
>> access, so that it will be synched after a while?
>
> For doc-fixes, the EMACS_22_BASE branch (or v5-10 in Gnus CVS) would
> be more suitable.

Noted.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

[Tassilo Horn]

| stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:
| 
| > | >> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
| > | >> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap:
| > | >> in the echo area.  I would prefer something like
| > | >> nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
| > | >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| > | > that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.
| > | 
| > | Looking at the code it seems you can set the variable
| > | `gnus-current-move-group' to "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/".  
| >
| > Thanks for that tip, but it does not do what I want!
| >
| > `gnus-current-move-group' is the suggested default for moving
| > messages, usually taking the value of the last group I moved something
| > into.  I'm happy with that behaviour.
| >
| > What I want to change is the prompt -- that needs to be completed --
| > if I move to somewhere *other* than last time.
| 
| Hm, the function in gnus-move-group-prefix-function does the job of
| inserting the part to complete.  Here, if I want to move an article in
| nnmaildir+Fastmail:INBOX.foo, it will use "nnmaildir+Fastmail:" as
| default, which is nearly what you want (the mail/ is missing).
| 
| Do you have several nnimap servers, one unnamed, and want to move an
| article from a group of the unnamed server?  That would explain the
| behaviour you see.

As far as I know, I have only one:

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
      '((nnml "")
        (nnimap "imap.uib.no"
              (nnimap-stream ssl)
              (nnimap-list-pattern ("INBOX" "mail/*"))
              )))

However, I may have screwed up something earlier that leaves traces
somewhere.  I have some groups with names like "nnimap:leikny",
created by me in gnus because of the inviting prompt "nnimap:", but I
don't know where they actually reside; I cannot find them on the imap
server if I use other mail clients (or from other computers).  Also,
groups created by gnus like "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/amm" do not show
up in other mail clients until I also create a corresponding folder in
the other mail client.  

Is gnus/nnimap supposed to work in perfect harmony with occasional use
of other imap mail clients?  :-)

This reminds me of another source of irritation (or rather, field of
incompetence on my part): I have several old, emptied and killed
(nnml) mail groups that I no longer use.  They still show up as
choices under tab completion (when applicable).  How do I get rid of
them for good?

SA
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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

[Reiner Steib]

| On Mon, Dec 17 2007, Stein Arild Strømme wrote:
| 
| > stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:
| >> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
| >> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap: in
| >> the echo area.  I would prefer something like nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
| >                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| > that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.
| 
| ,----[ (info "(gnus)Mail Group Commands") ]
| |    If you move (or copy) articles regularly, you might wish to have Gnus
| | suggest where to put the articles.  `gnus-move-split-methods' is a
| | variable that uses the same syntax as `gnus-split-methods' (*note
| | Saving Articles::).  You may customize that variable to create
| | suggestions you find reasonable.  (Note that `gnus-move-split-methods'
| | uses group names where `gnus-split-methods' uses file names.)
| `----

This looks very useful indeed.  Thanks so much!

SA
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Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:20:41 +0100 stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) wrote: 

SAS> However, I may have screwed up something earlier that leaves traces
SAS> somewhere.  I have some groups with names like "nnimap:leikny",
SAS> created by me in gnus because of the inviting prompt "nnimap:", but I
SAS> don't know where they actually reside; I cannot find them on the imap
SAS> server if I use other mail clients (or from other computers).  

Use `L' to see all groups.

SAS> Also, groups created by gnus like "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/amm" do
SAS> not show up in other mail clients until I also create a
SAS> corresponding folder in the other mail client.

There's no functionality AFAIK to auto-subscribe in the IMAP standard.
You need to subscribe to new IMAP folders no matter what the client is.
Gnus may have some functionality for this, actually, but most client
(e.g. Thunderbird) don't.

SAS> Is gnus/nnimap supposed to work in perfect harmony with occasional
SAS> use of other imap mail clients?  :-)

It does for me, between Thunderbird and Gnus.

SAS> This reminds me of another source of irritation (or rather, field of
SAS> incompetence on my part): I have several old, emptied and killed
SAS> (nnml) mail groups that I no longer use.  They still show up as
SAS> choices under tab completion (when applicable).  How do I get rid of
SAS> them for good?

C-k on a group will remove it completely from your .newsrc.eld file.
You may need `L' to see all the groups.

Ted

Re: prompts when moving articles etc

[Stein Arild Strømme]

[Stein Arild Strømme]

| [Tassilo Horn]
| 
| | stromme@math.uib.no (Stein Arild Strømme) writes:
| | 
| | > | >> I'm trying to migrate from nnml to nnimap for my mail.  When I move a
| | > | >> message using "B m" , gnus prompts for a mailbox by putting nnimap:
| | > | >> in the echo area.  I would prefer something like
| | > | >> nnimap+imap.uib.no/mail:
| | > | >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| | > | > that would be nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/ of course.
| | > | 
| | > | Looking at the code it seems you can set the variable
| | > | `gnus-current-move-group' to "nnimap+imap.uib.no:mail/".  
| | >
| | > Thanks for that tip, but it does not do what I want!
| | >
| | > `gnus-current-move-group' is the suggested default for moving
| | > messages, usually taking the value of the last group I moved something
| | > into.  I'm happy with that behaviour.
| | >
| | > What I want to change is the prompt -- that needs to be completed --
| | > if I move to somewhere *other* than last time.
| | 
| | Hm, the function in gnus-move-group-prefix-function does the job of
| | inserting the part to complete.  Here, if I want to move an article in
| | nnmaildir+Fastmail:INBOX.foo, it will use "nnmaildir+Fastmail:" as
| | default, which is nearly what you want (the mail/ is missing).
| | 
| | Do you have several nnimap servers, one unnamed, and want to move an
| | article from a group of the unnamed server?  That would explain the
| | behaviour you see.
| 
| As far as I know, I have only one:
| 
| (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
|       '((nnml "")
|         (nnimap "imap.uib.no"
|               (nnimap-stream ssl)
|               (nnimap-list-pattern ("INBOX" "mail/*"))
|               )))
| 
| However, I may have screwed up something earlier that leaves traces
| somewhere.  

Update:  I threw .newsrc.eld out for a moment, and then the prompt in
question suddenly reads "nnimap+imap.uib.no:", a large improvement.
So there is something in the old history.  I might as well start over,
not that hard, it seems.

SA
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Re: Group parameters / `gnus-parameters'

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hello Reiner,

Stupid question (yes, yes): how do you do to make such a nice
highlighting of code snippet?

--- gnus.texi.~6.603.2.144.~	2007-12-14 22:43:49.000000000 +0100
+++ gnus.texi	2007-12-18 12:41:52.000000000 +0100
@@ -2717,6 +2717,15 @@
 @cindex group parameters

[...] 

 Group parameters can be set via the @code{gnus-parameters} variable too.
 But some variables, such as @code{visible}, have no effect (For this


Are there key default bindings to do so? Do we have to load an
extra package first?

I knew about `boxquote', but not about this...

Thanks in advance,
  Seb

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verbatim markers (was: Group parameters / `gnus-parameters')

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, Feb 04 2008, Sébastien Vauban wrote:

> Stupid question (yes, yes): how do you do to make such a nice
> highlighting of code snippet?
[...]
> Are there key default bindings to do so? Do we have to load an
> extra package first?

,----[ `C-h k <menu-bar> <Message> <Insert Region Marked>' ]
| <menu-bar> <Message> <Insert Region Marked> runs the command
| message-mark-inserted-region
|   which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `message.el'.
| It is bound to C-c M-m, <menu-bar> <Message> <Insert Region Marked>.
| (message-mark-inserted-region beg end &optional verbatim)
| 
| Mark some region in the current article with enclosing tags.
| See `message-mark-insert-begin' and `message-mark-insert-end'.
| If verbatim, use slrn style verbatim marks ("#v+" and "#v-").
`----

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