From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8974 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2023 11:37:56 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 28 Oct 2023 11:37:56 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwhdK-0004yj-7Z; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 07:37:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwhdI-0004xG-EO for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 07:37:36 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwhdG-0006pC-Fc for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 07:37:36 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7852240101 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:37:30 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1698493050; bh=dGjNJMOKnDad9CD4MBiZMCORVmmfP/cDKFFObIgdMbE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=qy+VfiHx8HFB5FH9EX5+I7Jjgua+SsZ5JP7/RU6V2Ig/cq1qtebpPmFtmMFxwoHaB RdWYW1EZ3evD683krY3Q9KtIKi6KL8oH0nS786LiOnGtyGFvtK3QAcJBpFz7msZyPl LtpOZMUfmcUI91AWhy3D8sV2aZIGba4W51NMbzTyWTFi+13OP7YaA8+r32+Zi00M+L hRzrYMRsmMHW7O+c+leZp2xkwdZt8V4Ov4Bsl2H5kkwszdbuBvXP9yC8LaJODt9uP1 +nxlRRKu2RGcFAwU1mTOxl0zsh52HjTyeo0+maLYBWukSqGp44bG+wifbvgJ8Yi0Dt LX5+PENiBnfLA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4SHcvt2b5lz6txr; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 13:37:30 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Bartosz_Kaczy=C5=84ski?= To: Juan =?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Garc=C3=ADa-Ripoll?= Cc: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Subject: Re: use-package :custom causes gnus to load In-Reply-To: <86cywzhy38.fsf@csic.es> ("Juan =?utf-8?Q?Jos=C3=A9_Garc?= =?utf-8?Q?=C3=ADa-Ripoll=22's?= message of "Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:53:47 +0200") References: <86cywzhy38.fsf@csic.es> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 11:37:29 +0000 Message-ID: <87a5s3ugee.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=bkaczynski@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Juan Jos=C3=A9 Garc=C3=ADa-Ripoll writes: > Hi, Hi, > > I have a stupid peeve with my current configuration, which relies on > `use-package` to defer loading of `gnus`, but still configuring relevant > parameters. > > I have found that all of the :custom statements are fine, except for > > :custom > (gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")) > > It seems this custom statement triggers loading of gnus. I found this > can be used by replacing this statement with > > :config > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")) > > However, it is less than satisfactory. Why is that? (use-package gnus :init (add-hook 'gnus-group-mode-hook 'gnus-topic-mode) :config (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil "")) (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nntp "news.gmane.io") --snip-- I don't have any issues with this configuration. > > Any clue about this?