* What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? @ 2014-08-02 0:39 thezsak 2014-08-02 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: thezsak @ 2014-08-02 0:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? I'm a long time emacs and gnus user previously, not a programmer. It's been many years since I used gnus. Years ago gnus was already setup on the system. and I'm trying to use the information at http://www.xsteve.at/prg/gnus/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 0:39 What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? thezsak @ 2014-08-02 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 7:46 ` Glyn Millington [not found] ` <mailman.6449.1406966691.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english thezsak <don.saklad@gmail.com> writes: > What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in > emacs? Gnus is already included and so all you need to do is specify a couple of parameters in an init file, so you don't have to input everything every time you run Emacs and Gnus. What should be put in the init file depends, I suppose the most basic question is: would you like to use Gnus for mail/listbots or for news, or both? If you answer this, we'll be able to help you more... As for the best server, I use: (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "Aioe.org")) I don't know if it is the best - it doesn't require user authentication, which I like, but some people say for this reason spammers go wild. I don't know about that, I don't see much spam at all, truth be told. > I'm a long time emacs and gnus user previously, not a > programmer. It's been many years since I used gnus. > Years ago gnus was already setup on the system. It is not a big deal to setup Gnus and it can be done with no or minimal changes to the rest of the system (as in, you'll have to create a couple of dirs at most). > and I'm trying to use the information at > http://www.xsteve.at/prg/gnus/ Then, you might also be interested in my page: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/gnus/index.html The introduction is totally schematic but the screenshots are cool and there are tons of configuration. In those files, perhaps you are able to distill how to setup the basic stuff as well, but I take it there are better sources for that. -- underground experts united ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 2:48 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 7:46 ` Glyn Millington [not found] ` <mailman.6449.1406966691.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glyn Millington @ 2014-08-02 7:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel, You need to Google 'Don Saklad gnus' as a matter of urgency. Don has been asking the self-same questions on usenet for at least 12 years. It is a case of what logicians call the "invincible ignorance fallacy", as opposed to the theological kind! atb Glyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? [not found] ` <mailman.6449.1406966691.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-02 17:24 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 17:35 ` Adam Sjøgren ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: > You need to Google 'Don Saklad gnus' as a matter of > urgency. Don has been asking the self-same questions > on usenet for at least 12 years. Aha, actually I know that, I've read the "tribute" page. But I didn't react to the "thezsak" handle. > It is a case of what logicians call the "invincible > ignorance fallacy", as opposed to the theological > kind! Funny thing is, I recently started to worry that people might perceive *me* as crazy, for answering the same questions with virtually the same answers over and over. I'm going to put all that in an ODAA file (opinions disguised as answers) soon... -- underground experts united ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 17:24 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 17:35 ` Adam Sjøgren 2014-08-02 17:46 ` Glyn Millington [not found] ` <mailman.6473.1407000937.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-02 17:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes: > Funny thing is, I recently started to worry that people > might perceive *me* as crazy, for answering the same > questions with virtually the same answers over and > over. It's more likely to be the weird line length that makes you look crazy. :-), Adam -- "Repetition is the death of magic." Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 17:24 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 17:35 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-02 17:46 ` Glyn Millington [not found] ` <mailman.6473.1407000937.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Glyn Millington @ 2014-08-02 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes: > Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> writes: > >> You need to Google 'Don Saklad gnus' as a matter of >> urgency. Don has been asking the self-same questions >> on usenet for at least 12 years. > > Aha, actually I know that, I've read the "tribute" > page. But I didn't react to the "thezsak" handle. Well, seeing your enthusiasm for helping people on here, I wanted to save you a wild-goose chase this time. atb Glyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? [not found] ` <mailman.6473.1407000937.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-02 17:53 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 19:21 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6482.1407007322.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: >> Funny thing is, I recently started to worry that >> people might perceive *me* as crazy, for answering >> the same questions with virtually the same answers >> over and over. > > It's more likely to be the weird line length that > makes you look crazy. I have fill-column 55. You seem to have 70-ish, but I don't see that because Gnus fills your length to mine, so to speak. That auto-filling is great, for example I am never bothered by people posting from Google Groups (those blank lines in between are filled away). The only drawback is when source code is posted; I usually take a look and if it seems like something I could use, I do `C-u g' to get the (entire) article without any washing. The reason for 55 you can find here - I use a projector, so the screen is 3-4 meters from me, and I like a big font (face) at that: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/lines.png So you see, when you get to know me, I'm not that crazy... :) PS. Speaking of this, I like reading magazines a lot, like "The Ring", "Black Belt", "Linux Magazine", and so on. Those typically have three columns a page, and they are very pleasant to read. Probably the professional writers write in a way to make it easy to digest, but the form contributes as well, no doubt. So I think people actually have too long lines! But like I said, I had Gnus solve that for me :) DS. -- underground experts united _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 17:53 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 19:21 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6482.1407007322.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-02 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes: > I have fill-column 55. You seem to have 70-ish, Yes, I am using the default. [... tumbleweed rolls by ...] > http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/lines.png It looks like you are wasting a lot of black space on the right by using such a short line length, on your screenshot? Best regards, Adam -- "Repetition is the death of magic." Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? [not found] ` <mailman.6482.1407007322.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-02 20:04 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 20:34 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6483.1407011685.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > It looks like you are wasting a lot of black space on the right by > using such a short line length, on your screenshot? Waste and waste - it is not as simple as filling the black gap. Take a look at this screenshot [1] with fill-column as 70. The black wasted space isn't wasted, but it looks sort of strange not to have any margin. It is like a book where the letters would end abruptly not with the right margin, but with the page end itself. But there is a much more strange thing. Filling isn't done with the orientation intact. Then it has to be reset. It is difficult to explain, so check out two more dumps. That happens in sequence. First this [2], then it has to be reset manually [3]. I don't know, perhaps that is something I misconfigured, because it seems it shouldn't be like that. If that wasn't an issue, perhaps I'd go from 55 to 60 or even 65... (with 70, as it is now, it happens almost at every single paragraph). [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/space.png [2] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/first-move.png [3] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/then-reset.png -- underground experts united _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 20:04 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 20:34 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6483.1407011685.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-02 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes: > The black wasted space isn't wasted, but it looks sort of strange not > to have any margin. It is like a book where the letters would end > abruptly not with the right margin, but with the page end itself. The lack of a left margin does not seem to bother you, though? Maybe using a proportional font might be of use to you, when width is constrained? Best regards, Adam -- "Och när jag blundar hörs din röst Adam Sjøgren Jag kan inte se ditt ansikte asjo@koldfront.dk Det var det jag glömde först" _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? [not found] ` <mailman.6483.1407011685.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-02 20:49 ` Emanuel Berg 2014-08-02 20:58 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6485.1407013150.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > The lack of a left margin does not seem to bother > you, though? No, because that is a straight line so it is a clear enough delimiter in itself. > Maybe using a proportional font might be of use to > you, when width is constrained? What, you mean when "l"s are thin and "M" wide and so on? Oh, no. No, I'm happy with the font. Its is FONTFACE="Terminus" FONTSIZE="28x14" in /etc/default/console-setup and I've had it for years. By the way, that page on Saklad is hilarious, especially: http://saklad.stormloader.com/about.html All the stats and references to old posts at DejaNews seems to be broken though. -- underground experts united _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? 2014-08-02 20:49 ` Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 20:58 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.6485.1407013150.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2014-08-02 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes: > asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: >> The lack of a left margin does not seem to bother >> you, though? > No, because that is a straight line so it is a clear > enough delimiter in itself. You were comparing to books - they have margins at both sides of the text - so that made me wonder... >> Maybe using a proportional font might be of use to >> you, when width is constrained? > What, you mean when "l"s are thin and "M" wide and so > on? Oh, no. Yes, like, you know, in books. The conclusion is different strokes for different folks, I guess - just don't be surprised when people think your articles look strange, not using the recommended default line width. :-), Adam -- "The tendency for larkiness in this place is Adam Sjøgren deplorable." asjo@koldfront.dk _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's the best server and how do you setup gnus in emacs? [not found] ` <mailman.6485.1407013150.1147.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2014-08-02 22:47 ` Emanuel Berg 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Emanuel Berg @ 2014-08-02 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: >>> The lack of a left margin does not seem to bother >>> you, though? >> >> No, because that is a straight line so it is a clear >> enough delimiter in itself. > > You were comparing to books - they have margins at > both sides of the text - so that made me wonder... Yes, I got you thinking. Books have two margins, true. But the "outer" margin (the one at the edge of the page, not the one where both pages meet) is the one the widest. Either, it actually is wider, or it gets wider by the binding. I don't know why, but I consider a editor buffer to be the right hand side of a book, if I had to pick one of the two. But the book comparison isn't the best come to think of it. The reason is that books have their right (text) margin straight as well. That makes the whitespace margin less important as it is clear where the line is anyway. If I could get that in Gnus, I could have it 70 as well (or perhaps 65, but then I have to solve that other problem as well). >>> Maybe using a proportional font might be of use to >>> you, when width is constrained? >> >> What, you mean when "l"s are thin and "M" wide and >> so on? Oh, no. > > Yes, like, you know, in books. But not in programming or computer work. That would bring chaos to everything. Just think of all indentation. I could give you a thousand examples, but let's say - this: (let ((files (with-temp-buffer (call-process-shell-command "ls ~/.emacs.d/emacs-init/**/*.elc ~/.emacs-no-bc" nil ; no INFILE t) ; BUFFER (t = current buffer, i.e. the temp one) (buffer-substring (point-min) (point-max)) ))) (dolist (f (split-string files)) (load-file f)) ) How would that look? And how would it be carried out? I don't know how auto-indentation would handle a proportional font, only manually - which will always be necessary if you want it a certain way, and with functions (e.g., [1]), shortcuts, and finger habits that's actually rather relaxing and pleasant work... Also, isn't Usenet monospaced? If so, don't you want it to look the same way in your client as other people will see it - the actual text, at least? > The conclusion is different strokes for different > folks, I guess - just don't be surprised when people > think your articles look strange, not using the > recommended default line width. Well, actually that would surprise me as the difference shouldn't be that radical. It is just a line width that's - let's see - 78.6% the default. Is that really that radical? But I am used to see everything "my way" as your posts are at 55 as well, when I read them. If they weren't, and I read my own posts, perhaps I would react to the difference (?). By the way, I counted the chars in a newspaper which had 4 columns a page - 32 chars! - for a randomly picked line. I don't know what fill-column that would be - 40? In "Black Belt", as I mentioned: 3 columns, 42 chars. Is this easier to read? (It is a bit unscientific as you had "training" reading it. Also, as said, I think the professional newspapers guys and girls write in a certain way to fit the form, probably short sentences and paragraphs where the heavy information first, and no complicated sentence structure (or parenthesis that makes you loose track...) - uhm, what did I just say? Oh, yeah, is this easier to read? (setq fill-column 40) By the way, I counted the chars in a newspaper which had 4 columns a page - 32 chars! - for a randomly picked line. I don't know what fill-column that would be - 40? In "Black Belt", as I mentioned: 3 columns, 42 chars. [1] http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/emacs-init/align.el -- underground experts united _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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