From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/16191 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Can't send emails to this list via gmane? Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2013 10:06:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87a9phxsp5.fsf@krugs.de> References: <87li97gu5w.fsf@gmail.com> <87fvzes0jp.fsf@riseup.net> <87boa2cjmc.fsf@gmail.com> <878v56rz8p.fsf@riseup.net> <877gkqcg4t.fsf@gmail.com> <87y5d6qgxy.fsf@riseup.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364889992 19772 80.91.229.3 (2 Apr 2013 08:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2013 08:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: info-gnus-english@gnu.org To: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. 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Greenhouse's message of "Fri, 29 Mar 2013 17:00:41 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:16191 Archived-At: wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes: > Rainer M Krug writes: > >> Yes - I checked there just now and nothing was in there. In addition, I >> assume that the email would have been send via my (only) smtp account >> which is gmail, and the mail should have been in the "Send Items" - >> nothing there (checked via the web interface as well). > > Except it's not an email. It's a Usenet article. :) > > Messages to Gmane (or any NNTP server) don't travel through SMTP at all, > so it would never get the chance to show up in Gmail's Sent box. With > newsgroups, the NNTP stream is used both to send and to receive > messages. Gmail is not in the loop for this communication at > all--except when Gmane detects that a particular sender has never posted > to that group before, and sends an email to the From: address for > verification. Makes sense - explains why they are not there. > >>>> Same as above - I do not assume that I am blocked when using gnus but >>>> not thunderbird. >>> >>> To clarify, are you posting directly to the mailing list with >>> Thunderbird, or to Gmane? >> >> via gmane on thunderbird. > > Ah, Thunderbird was using NNTP, then? Then that's especially > peculiar. Yup - it did. > >>> Being blocked from Gmane and blocked from the >>> "upstream" mailing list are not the same thing; that's completely >>> different machines, with different administrators, and potentially >>> different lists of IPs suspected of spam. >> >> Sure - two different receivers. >> >>> >>> Your description of the order of events, though, makes it sound like the >>> message was delivered to Gmane but the required confirmation email was >>> mislaid somehow. >> >> I thought the same - but I did not see any. >> >> Any suggestions how I can check this? >> >> Rainer > > I would check your NNTP configuration. Maybe rather than using the > "browse foreign groups" feature, you can set things up explicitly. > Below are some known working settings for Gmane. > > While keeping Gmail as your primary select method, try > > (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods > '((nntp "news.gmane.org" > (nntp-open-connection-function nntp-open-tls-stream) > (nntp-port-number 563)))) > Did it, but still can't send via the newsserver. But I stick with email at the moment and will evaluate later. Thanks, Rainer > Other NNTP servers can be added later along a similar pattern. -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug