Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Adam Sjøgren]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:23:28 +0100, Andreas wrote:

> Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

>> I've been looking in the manual for this, but can't find it. How do I
>> save an Excel sheet someone sent me?

> Come on?! Is there *nobody* who has ever gotten an attachment while
> using gnus as a mailreader!

Did you try using a mouse?

I usually just right-click on the MIME-button thing displayed in the
email (where it shows MIME-type and filename) and choose whatever I
fancy from the menu - "View interactively", "Save..." or so.

I'm sure there are keyboard shortcuts as well, but I handle attachments
seldom enough that using the mouse is preferable to remembering the
shortcuts.

Where did you look in the manual? Maybe we can improve it.


  Best regards,

-- 
 "Achtung, babies!"                                           Adam Sjøgren
                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Bastien]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

> Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:
>
>> I've been looking in the manual for this, but can't find it. How do I
>> save an Excel sheet someone sent me?
>
> Come on?! Is there *nobody* who has ever gotten an attachment while
> using gnus as a mailreader!

Er... I do have attachments, but never had problem saving them. 
Isn't `o' on the attachment itself enough to save it somewhere?

(Maybe I didn't understand what you need...)

-- 
Bastien

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Michael Ekstrand]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:
> Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:
>> Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:
>>
>>> I've been looking in the manual for this, but can't find it. How do I
>>> save an Excel sheet someone sent me?
>>
>> Come on?! Is there *nobody* who has ever gotten an attachment while
>> using gnus as a mailreader!
>>
>> I have read tfm and am still in the dark. I have also searched the
>> emacswiki about this, but only found some notes for how to display xls
>> files in a buffer. I need to save it and edit it in a spreadsheet
>> application. 
>>
>> Is there no MIME guru around to explain what I haven't understood?  
>
> Ok. As always, go to the source. After giving up on google I took to the
> source with a fine comb and 'o' saves a MIME attachment under point. Why
> on earth is that not in the manual? Is it?

It is, under section 4.2 "Using MIME".

- Michael

-- 
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Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Bastien]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

> Ok. As always, go to the source. After giving up on google I took to the
> source with a fine comb and 'o' saves a MIME attachment under point. Why
> on earth is that not in the manual? Is it?

(info "(gnus)Saving Articles")

Maybe the title of the node is a bit misleading though.

-- 
Bastien

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Mar 07 2008, Andreas Davour wrote:

>> I have read tfm and am still in the dark. I have also searched the
>> emacswiki about this, but only found some notes for how to display xls
>> files in a buffer. I need to save it and edit it in a spreadsheet
>> application. 
>>
>> Is there no MIME guru around to explain what I haven't understood?  
>
> Ok. As always, go to the source. After giving up on google I took to the
> source with a fine comb and 'o' saves a MIME attachment under point. Why
> on earth is that not in the manual? Is it?

It is.

  (info "(gnus)Top"), `i attachment RET' 
or
  (info "(gnus)Top"), `i MIME RET ,' 

,----[ (info "(gnus)MIME Commands") ]
| 3.19 MIME Commands
| ==================
| 
| The following commands all understand the numerical prefix.  For
| instance, `3 K v' means "view the third MIME part".
| 
| [...]
| 
| `K o'
|      Save the MIME part.
`----

Bye, Reiner.
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      (o o)
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Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Johan Bockgård]

asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> I usually just right-click on the MIME-button thing displayed in the
> email (where it shows MIME-type and filename) and choose whatever I
> fancy from the menu - "View interactively", "Save..." or so.
>
> I'm sure there are keyboard shortcuts as well

The keyboard equivalent is "." (on the button).

-- 
Johan Bockgård

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Adam Sjøgren]

On Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:25:15 +0100, Andreas wrote:

> I started using emacs on computers that didn't even have a mouse, so I
> usually don't even get the idea to try that option.

I often try the mouse for things I rarely do. The menus in Gnus are
often quite useful to look through as well when you need a rarely used
functionality.

>> Where did you look in the manual? Maybe we can improve it.

> The section called Decoding Articles seemed sensible, since it has to be
> encoded in some way as the attachment contains stuff that wont travel
> well otherwise. '3.16 Decoding Articles' and the subtree is where I
> looked.

So you were actually looking pretty close to "MIME Commands"; good.


  Best regards,

-- 
 "Achtung, babies!"                                           Adam Sjøgren
                                                         asjo@koldfront.dk

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Bastien]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

>> Er... I do have attachments, but never had problem saving them. 
>> Isn't `o' on the attachment itself enough to save it somewhere?
>>
>> (Maybe I didn't understand what you need...)
>
> That was exactly what I was looking for. I just couldn't find it,
> though. It took me days. I find it strange myself. 

It is not strange.  I usually use `i' and try to enter a relevant index
entry when searching for something.  Here the magic word "attachment" is
not indexed in this part of the manual.

After reading it more carefully I don't know if this is a problem of the
documentation (a simple "@cindex attachments" would fix it) or a problem
of `o' not really being designed for the purpose of saving attachments
(but which _can_ do it, eventually.)  

Anyway, I think it would be good to fix either the manual or the
keybindings -- Reiner, what do you think?

-- 
Bastien

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Johan Bockgård]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

> bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes:
>
>> asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>>
>>> I usually just right-click on the MIME-button thing displayed in the
>>> email (where it shows MIME-type and filename) and choose whatever I
>>> fancy from the menu - "View interactively", "Save..." or so.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are keyboard shortcuts as well
>>
>> The keyboard equivalent is "." (on the button).
>
> Good to know. Is that in the manual, or just visible in the menus? I
> can't (surprise!) find it mentioned.

(info "(gnus) Using MIME")

-- 
Johan Bockgård

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Bastien]

Andreas Davour <ante@Update.UU.SE> writes:

>> After reading it more carefully I don't know if this is a problem of the
>> documentation (a simple "@cindex attachments" would fix it) or a problem
>> of `o' not really being designed for the purpose of saving attachments
>> (but which _can_ do it, eventually.)
>
> You could of course say that I'm the problem, not the manual *or* the
> code. :)
>
> If an index entry could point to more than one place, like in a book, I
> think the best way would be to have an index entry pointing both to
> "Saving Articles" and "MIME" parts of the manual, or have two
> entries. 

AFAIU the same index entry cannot point both to "Saving Articles" and
"MIME" because "Emacs-MIME" is a separate manual.  So we can have two
"@cindex attachments" but it won't really be the same... and `i' in one
of the two manuals will just jump to the entries defined in *this*
manual.

> That way a 's' would find it just like 'i' does.

Yes.  I think a simple "@cindex attachment" in the "Saving Articles"
section would already be an improvement.

-- 
Bastien

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, Mar 10 2008, Bastien wrote:

> After reading it more carefully I don't know if this is a problem of the
> documentation (a simple "@cindex attachments" would fix it) or a problem
> of `o' not really being designed for the purpose of saving attachments
> (but which _can_ do it, eventually.)  

I don't understand what the problem is.  An index search for
"attachment" or "MIME" brings you to the node explaining a way to save
an attachment (as describe in an earlier posing):

,----[ http://thread.gmane.org/v9pru65hzd.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de ]
| On Fri, Mar 07 2008, Andreas Davour wrote:
| [...]
| > Ok. As always, go to the source. After giving up on google I took to the
| > source with a fine comb and 'o' saves a MIME attachment under point. Why
| > on earth is that not in the manual? Is it?
| 
| It is.
| 
|   (info "(gnus)Top"), `i attachment RET' 
| or
|   (info "(gnus)Top"), `i MIME RET ,' 
| 
| ,----[ (info "(gnus)MIME Commands") ]
| | 3.19 MIME Commands
| | ==================
| | 
| | The following commands all understand the numerical prefix.  For
| | instance, `3 K v' means "view the third MIME part".
| | 
| | [...]
| | 
| | `K o'
| |      Save the MIME part.
| `----
`----

> Anyway, I think it would be good to fix either the manual or the
> keybindings -- Reiner, what do you think?

Please explain what needs to be fixed.

Bye, Reiner.
-- 
       ,,,
      (o o)
---ooO-(_)-Ooo---  |  PGP key available  |  http://rsteib.home.pages.de/

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Bastien]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> On Mon, Mar 10 2008, Bastien wrote:
>
>> After reading it more carefully I don't know if this is a problem of the
>> documentation (a simple "@cindex attachments" would fix it) or a problem
>> of `o' not really being designed for the purpose of saving attachments
>> (but which _can_ do it, eventually.)  
>
> I don't understand what the problem is.  

Sorry, my bad.  I confused the `o' for saving an article from the
summary buffer and the `o' for saving a MIME part.

But there is still something confusing: while searching for the index
key "attachment" from the Gnus manual, you find these sections:

  3.19 MIME Commands
  8.21.1 Dired
  5.5 Archived Messages
  
But isn't the most relevant section "Using MIME"?  

Same when you search for "attachment" with `s'.  Strangely enough, the
"Using MIME" section doesn't have any occurrence of the word attachment.

I guess it might be worth being a bit more explicit here...

-- 
Bastien

Re: Saving an Excel sheet someone sent me

[Vyazovoi Pavel]

Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:

Sorry, my english is bad and maybe i misunderstood your question, but
for saving attachments to file in gnus simply press "o" button, when
cursor over line with attachment.

> Andreas Davour <anteRUN@updateLIKE.uu.HELLse> writes:
>
>> I've been looking in the manual for this, but can't find it. How do I
>> save an Excel sheet someone sent me?
>
> Come on?! Is there *nobody* who has ever gotten an attachment while
> using gnus as a mailreader!
>
> I have read tfm and am still in the dark. I have also searched the
> emacswiki about this, but only found some notes for how to display xls
> files in a buffer. I need to save it and edit it in a spreadsheet
> application. 
>
> Is there no MIME guru around to explain what I haven't understood?  
>
> /Andreas
>
> -- 
> A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

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