From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27593 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2023 20:34:59 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Jul 2023 20:34:59 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qH9D9-0003uK-ED; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:34:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qH9D7-0003tk-HN for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:34:49 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qH9D5-0005mK-OR for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:34:49 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qH9D2-000227-R0 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 22:34:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org From: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: Gnus fetch freezes emacs Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 13:34:37 -0700 Message-ID: <87bkgqcd2a.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87sfa9nhp4.fsf@gmail.com> <87ttuoeoej.fsf@gmx.net> <87mt0e1h0u.fsf@gmail.com> <87h6qlsw3n.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o7ktjgmw.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zg4dq7ed.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87wmzfx69o.fsf@gmx.net> <87v8ezehjp.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87sfa3wiwu.fsf@gmx.net> <87mt0bdnki.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87lefun5s7.fsf@gmx.net> <87v8eychnb.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87cz16m86y.fsf@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5E6enfu6u5wHcGnpLno8misMQj0= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Stephen Berman writes: > On Wed, 05 Jul 2023 11:55:36 -0700 Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > >> On 07/05/23 10:04 AM, Stephen Berman wrote: >>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2023 20:50:05 -0700 Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > [...] >>>> Using `nntp-connection-timeout' is the proper fix for this problem, it's >>>> just got a bit of unfortunate behavior that needs to be remedied. I'd be >>>> inclined to start a whole new bug report for a fix for that, because >>>> it's really a new issue, with its own larger-reaching design decisions. >>>> I suppose we could merge #52735 with that, though. >>> >>> Feel free to open a new bug for fixing nntp-connection-timeout. I don't >>> know if I can help, other than trying out suggestions and providing >>> feedback. In the meantime I'll keep using my workaround replacement >>> function. >>> >>> But I wonder, could this issue have been triggered by some change in >>> news.gmane.io around early to mid December 2021? Because that's when >>> the problem start for me, and prior to that I don't recall ever having >>> this problem (perhaps sporadically but not with such persistance). >> >> The nntp-connection-timeout variable has been present and nil since >> 1999. I put my original buggy fix in at the end of October 2021, so that >> seems suspicious, but that should only have had an effect if you had set >> nntp-connection-timeout to something other than the default of nil. > > I've never touched nntp-connection-timeout, I only became aware of it > when you mentioned it in this thread. Also, October 2021 is too early: > the early to mid December date stands out to me because in early > December of that year there was a change in my internet service, and I > started experiencing the Gnus problem soon thereafter. At first I > thought it might be due to my change in internet service, but the > problem really was and remains only with fetching news with Gnus (and > not with fetching email with Gnus, which I do from different mail > servers). I also only use news.gmane.io for fetching news, so that's > why I thought maybe something changed there. It's entirely possible! The buggy fix was reverted in early May, so if you stopped seeing the bad behavior then, that would be pretty conclusive.