Re: How to get mail from localhost?

Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

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> I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything which would
> allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from '/var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I
> do it please? What should I put in my '.gnus.el' please?

C-h v gnus-select-method RET

says:

    If you want to use your local spool, say:

    (setq gnus-select-method (list 'nnspool (system-name)))

    If you use this variable, you must set `gnus-nntp-server' to nil.


If you want to get mails or news from serveral sources, you can also use
gnus-secondary-select-methods. 

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> writes:

> C-h v gnus-select-method RET

> says:

>     If you want to use your local spool, say:
>
>     (setq gnus-select-method (list 'nnspool (system-name)))
>
>     If you use this variable, you must set `gnus-nntp-server' to nil.

Uhm, that is for reading news from a local newsspool. It is not related
to email.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything which would
allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from '/var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I
do it please? What should I put in my '.gnus.el' please?

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

> I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything
> which would allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from
> '/var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I do it please? What should I put in my
> '.gnus.el' please?

Take a look at the variable mail-sources - the default is to get it from
the local machine:

,----[ C-h v mail-sources RET ]
| mail-sources is a variable defined in `mail-source.el'.
| Its value is ((file))
| 
| Documentation:
| Where the mail backends will look for incoming mail.
| This variable is a list of mail source specifiers.
| See Info node `(gnus)Mail Source Specifiers'.
`----

How did you set up your select methods?


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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything
> which would allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from
> '/var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I do it please? What should I put in my
> '.gnus.el' please?

Take a look at the variable mail-sources - the default is to get it from
the local machine:

,----[ C-h v mail-sources RET ]
| mail-sources is a variable defined in `mail-source.el'.
| Its value is ((file))
| 
| Documentation:
| Where the mail backends will look for incoming mail.
| This variable is a list of mail source specifiers.
| See Info node `(gnus)Mail Source Specifiers'.
`----

How did you set up your select methods?

I did it by trial and error with stuff I found on the internet, not the best way
but I haven't found a one-site fits all GNUs site yet.

Thanks about the 'mail-source', I'm now investigating it.

Sharon.


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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

I wrote:

>> How did you set up your select methods?

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

> I did it by trial and error with stuff I found on the internet, not the best way
> but I haven't found a one-site fits all GNUs site yet.

Ah yes. I meant, how does you setup look? Show us, and we can give you
better suggestions.

I think everybody started setting up Gnus (and Emacs) by trial and
error, and reading stuff. I still do :-)

(I tried starting a tutorial on reading email with Gnus once, but I never
got around to finishing it: http://koldfront.dk/text/gnus-email-tutorial.html )


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 13:50:55 +0100
asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) wrote:

> I wrote:
> 
> >> How did you set up your select methods?
> 
> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
> > I did it by trial and error with stuff I found on the internet, not
> > the best way but I haven't found a one-site fits all GNUs site yet.
> 
> Ah yes. I meant, how does you setup look? Show us, and we can give you
> better suggestions.
> 
> I think everybody started setting up Gnus (and Emacs) by trial and
> error, and reading stuff. I still do :-)
> 
> (I tried starting a tutorial on reading email with Gnus once, but I
> never got around to finishing it:
> http://koldfront.dk/text/gnus-email-tutorial.html )
> 
Thanks Adam, very interesting and useful.

Sharon.
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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Glyn Millington]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

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> I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything
> which would allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from
> /var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I do it please? What should I put in my
> .gnus.el' please?

I use this:

(setq  gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))

 mail-sources '((file :path "/home/glyn/Mail/inbox")

		(file :path "/home/glyn/Mail/gmail")

		(file :path "/var/spool/mail/glyn")))

The last mail source is for  system mail.


atb

Glyn

Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 07:15:49 +0000
Glyn Millington <glyn.millington@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
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> > I've been looking at various sites today but haven't seen anything
> > which would allow me to got local-hosts system-mail, from
> > /var/mail/boudiccas'. How can I do it please? What should I put in
> > my .gnus.el' please?
> 
> I use this:
> 
> (setq  gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
> 
>  mail-sources '((file :path "/home/glyn/Mail/inbox")
> 
> 		(file :path "/home/glyn/Mail/gmail")
> 
> 		(file :path "/var/spool/mail/glyn")))
> 
> The last mail source is for  system mail.
> 
This is part of what I have in my '.gnus.el'

(setq gnus-home-directory    "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/"
      gnus-init-file	     "~/.emacs.d/gnus.el")
 
; No primary server:
;(setq gnus-select-method '(list 'nnspool (system-name)))
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnmil ""))

; Get email, and store in nnml:
(setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
     (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))

(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
	             (nnml-directory "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/")
                    (nnml-active-file "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active")
	   mail-sources '(file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas"))

But it fails to load at 'nnml-directory' and also 'nnml-active-file',
but I can't see how else I can give the pathway to gnus. 

This is the actual error it gives -
add-to-list: Symbol's function definition is void: nnml-directory
add-to-list: Symbol's function definition is void: nnml-active-file

ATM my gnus is non-functioning because I've started over with a blank
page. So any help in getting further would be very much appreciated :)

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

> ; No primary server:
> ;(setq gnus-select-method '(list 'nnspool (system-name)))
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnmil ""))
                             ^^^^^^
                             This should be nnnil - not nnnmil.

> ; Get email, and store in nnml:
> (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))

Here you are overwriting the other select method you set above - which
is confusing :-)

>      (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))

Adding the same server to gnus-secondary-select-methods as the one you
just have set in gnus-select-method is probably a bad idea.

> (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
> 	             (nnml-directory "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/")
>                     (nnml-active-file "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active")
> 	   mail-sources '(file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas"))

mail-sources is a variable by itself, it should not be part of your
gnus-secondary-select-methods definition.

Also, I think you have got your parenthesis mixed up; nnml-directory and
nnml-active-file is supposed to be right after the "".

                                 o o o

I would rewrite the configuration you posted like this:

  (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))

  (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""
                                              (nnml-directory "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/")
                                              (nnml-active-file "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active"))
                                        (nntp "news.gmane.org")))

(I don't mind my mail ending up in ~/Mail/, so I don't set
nnml-directory and nnml-active-file in my configuration, but that's just
a matter of taste.)

If your login boudiccas, then you don't need to set mail-sources. If it
isn't, I would add:

  (setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas")))

to the above.

Hope this helps a little.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:41:00 +0100
asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) wrote:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
> > ; No primary server:
> > ;(setq gnus-select-method '(list 'nnspool (system-name)))
> > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnmil ""))
>                              ^^^^^^
>                              This should be nnnil - not nnnmil.
> 
> > ; Get email, and store in nnml:
> > (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gmane.org"))
> 
> Here you are overwriting the other select method you set above - which
> is confusing :-)
> 
> >      (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nntp
> > "news.gmane.org"))
> 
> Adding the same server to gnus-secondary-select-methods as the one you
> just have set in gnus-select-method is probably a bad idea.
> 
> > (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""))
> > 	             (nnml-directory "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/")
> >                     (nnml-active-file
> > "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active") mail-sources '(file :path
> > "/var/mail/boudiccas"))
> 
> mail-sources is a variable by itself, it should not be part of your
> gnus-secondary-select-methods definition.
> 
> Also, I think you have got your parenthesis mixed up; nnml-directory
> and nnml-active-file is supposed to be right after the "".
> 
>                                  o o o
> 
> I would rewrite the configuration you posted like this:
> 
>   (setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
> 
>   (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""
>                                               (nnml-directory
> "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/") (nnml-active-file
> "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active")) (nntp "news.gmane.org")))
> 
> (I don't mind my mail ending up in ~/Mail/, so I don't set
> nnml-directory and nnml-active-file in my configuration, but that's
> just a matter of taste.)
> 
> If your login boudiccas, then you don't need to set mail-sources. If
> it isn't, I would add:
> 
>   (setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas")))
> 
> to the above.
> 
> Hope this helps a little.
> 
> 
>   Best regards,
> 
>     Adam
> 
Thanks Adam, but its just not working, and I can't see why. Therefore
this is the guts of my '.gnus.el'
================================================
;;; package --- gnus.el setup
;;; Commentary - 2014-03-22

(setq smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.talktalk.net") 
(setq send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
(setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
(require 'smtpmail)

(setq smtpmail-auth-credentials "~/.authinfo")

(setq mail-sources '((pop :server "mail.talktalk.net"
						  :user "custardpie@talktalk.net"
						  :password "rhubarbandcustard")))

(setq user-mail-address "custardpie@talktalk.net")
     (setq user-full-name "Sharon Kimble")

(setq gnus-home-directory    "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/"
      gnus-init-file	     "~/.emacs.d/.gnus.el")
 
;; No primary server:
;; (setq gnus-select-method '(list 'nnspool (system-name)))
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml ""
                                    (nnml-directory "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail")
                                    (nnml-active-file "~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/active"))
							(nntp "news.gmane.org")))

(setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas")))

(provide '.gnus)
;;; .gnus.el ends here
=========================================

And this is what is shown on the 'gnus desktop' 
=============================
 U     *: nnml:mail.misc
       6: nnfolder+archive:sent-mail
       1: nnfolder+archive:sent-news
      14: nnfolder+archive:sent.2014-03
      16: nndraft:drafts
 U     *: gmane.linux.debian.user
       *: gmane.emacs.gnus.general
==============================

And this is the pathway of the folders -
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/bogus/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/emacs/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/misc/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/mail/org-mode/
~/.emacs.d/gnus.d/active

But none of the files or 'active' are touched with the time that I
started GNUs off, I don't know where its getting the information from,
as its not reading the folders in the pathway.

I think that its somehow reading the old setup, which isn't being
updated, and the '.gnus.el' above is the only one on the machine, so I'm
puzzled. 

I'm sorry for presuming so much onto your time, but I am seriously
trying to use GNUs for all of my emails, but at the moment its just not
working, and I can't see why. 

Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

> Thanks Adam, but its just not working, and I can't see why.

If you get in the habit of saying what happens and what you expected to
happen, instead of saying "it doesn't work", you'll see that it is much
easier for people to help you :-)

> (setq mail-sources '((pop :server "mail.talktalk.net"
> 						  :user "custardpie@talktalk.net"
> 						  :password "rhubarbandcustard")))

So first you set mail-sources to one thing.

>       gnus-init-file	     "~/.emacs.d/.gnus.el")

(Uh, it doesn't make sense to set gnus-init-file in your .gnus.el!)

> (setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas")))

Then you overwrite the previous value...

> And this is what is shown on the 'gnus desktop' 
> =============================
>  U     *: nnml:mail.misc
>        6: nnfolder+archive:sent-mail
>        1: nnfolder+archive:sent-news
>       14: nnfolder+archive:sent.2014-03
>       16: nndraft:drafts
>  U     *: gmane.linux.debian.user
>        *: gmane.emacs.gnus.general
> ==============================

If you open nnml:mail.misc, what happens? I would expect email from
/var/mail/boudiccas to end up there, when you ask Gnus to fetch email.

> But none of the files or 'active' are touched with the time that I
> started GNUs off, I don't know where its getting the information from,
> as its not reading the folders in the pathway.

Gnus uses a file called .newsrc.eld to store state. It doesn't just scan
your filesystem willy nilly :-)


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    Adam

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 19:40:08 +0100
asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) wrote:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
> > Thanks Adam, but its just not working, and I can't see why.
> 
> If you get in the habit of saying what happens and what you expected
> to happen, instead of saying "it doesn't work", you'll see that it is
> much easier for people to help you :-)

True, and point taken.
> 
> > (setq mail-sources '((pop :server "mail.talktalk.net"
> > 						  :user
> > "custardpie@talktalk.net" :password "rhubarbandcustard")))
> 
> So first you set mail-sources to one thing.
> 
> >       gnus-init-file	     "~/.emacs.d/.gnus.el")
> 
> (Uh, it doesn't make sense to set gnus-init-file in your .gnus.el!)

Its gone now! 
> 
> > (setq mail-sources '((file :path "/var/mail/boudiccas")))
> 
> Then you overwrite the previous value...
> 
> > And this is what is shown on the 'gnus desktop' 
> > =============================
> >  U     *: nnml:mail.misc
> >        6: nnfolder+archive:sent-mail
> >        1: nnfolder+archive:sent-news
> >       14: nnfolder+archive:sent.2014-03
> >       16: nndraft:drafts
> >  U     *: gmane.linux.debian.user
> >        *: gmane.emacs.gnus.general
> > ==============================
> 
> If you open nnml:mail.misc, what happens? I would expect email from
> /var/mail/boudiccas to end up there, when you ask Gnus to fetch email.

Yes, it is there, and this is the summary -
R  [   5: Cron Daemon            ] Cron <boudiccas@london> DISPLAY=:0 /home/boudiccas/bin/notify #backup /home
> 
> > But none of the files or 'active' are touched with the time that I
> > started GNUs off, I don't know where its getting the information
> > from, as its not reading the folders in the pathway.
> 
> Gnus uses a file called .newsrc.eld to store state. It doesn't just
> scan your filesystem willy nilly :-)
> 
> 
So having seen the display above, is there any way I can get a 'sane
display' in the summary.buffer like 'date-time-source-subject' please?
Looking at the opened '.newsrc.eld' I see that it suggests that you
'touch .newsrc', so I closed gnus down, did the 'touch .newsrc' and
restarted gnus, but the display shown above still retains the same
format. That display is an artefact from my previous attempts to run
gnus, and I would dearly love to purge my system of it, but I can't
find in which file it is stored. 

One of the sites that I've been following is at
http://koldfront.dk/text/gnus-email-tutorial.html#thebasics which I've
subsequently learned is your site Adam! Thank you very much for it, its
give information in a very clear and concise, yet still understandable,
format. :)

I've now set a daemon in my '.gnus.el'
============================
;; gnus daemon settings
(gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-demon-scan-mail 20 10)
(gnus-demon-add-handler 'gnus-demon-scan-news 60 nil)
(gnus-demon-add-scanmail)
(setq gnus-use-demon t)
(gnus-demon-init)
==========================
so I'll leave it running overnight, and see what happens. 

Thank you Adam, for your patience and time in helping me, it is
appreciated. :)

Sharon.
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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Adam Sjøgren]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

>> If you open nnml:mail.misc, what happens? I would expect email from
>> /var/mail/boudiccas to end up there, when you ask Gnus to fetch email.

> Yes, it is there, and this is the summary -
> R  [   5: Cron Daemon            ] Cron <boudiccas@london> DISPLAY=:0 /home/boudiccas/bin/notify #backup /home

So you have an email shown, which looks like a local one, right? From
Cron.

> So having seen the display above, is there any way I can get a 'sane
> display' in the summary.buffer like 'date-time-source-subject' please?

What is non-sane about what you see?

It shows State (R=Read), Number of lines (5), From (Cron Daemon), and
Subject.

You can configure what is displayed - see the manual:

 * http://gnus.org/manual/gnus_60.html#SEC60

> Looking at the opened '.newsrc.eld' I see that it suggests that you
> 'touch .newsrc', so I closed gnus down, did the 'touch .newsrc' and
> restarted gnus, but the display shown above still retains the same
> format.

I think this is a red herring.

Things to do with .newsrc is from the time where you would use multiple
newsreaders and have them share information about what newsgroup you had
read.

The format of the Summary buffer is unrelated to .newsrc and .newsrc.eld.

> That display is an artefact from my previous attempts to run gnus, and
> I would dearly love to purge my system of it, but I can't find in
> which file it is stored.

If you want to delete an email, you can press B DEL to delete it. Why do
you want that, though?

> One of the sites that I've been following is at
> http://koldfront.dk/text/gnus-email-tutorial.html#thebasics which I've
> subsequently learned is your site Adam!

Well, I did write that I wrote it when I presented the link to you
earlier today, so it shouldn't be a big surprise ;-)

> I've now set a daemon in my '.gnus.el'

If I were you, I would start by making the simple things work, and when
they do, only then move on to automating stuff.

I.e. send yourself an email on the machine locally, and see that Gnus
can pick it up, and you can read it.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:

> (setq mail-sources '((pop :server "mail.talktalk.net"
> 						  :user "custardpie@talktalk.net"
> 						  :password "rhubarbandcustard")))

You might want to change the password…

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Re: How to get mail from localhost?

[Sharon Kimble]

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On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 17:46:39 +0100
"Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> wrote:

> Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@talktalk.net> writes:
> 
> > (setq mail-sources '((pop :server "mail.talktalk.net"
> > 						  :user
> > "custardpie@talktalk.net" :password "rhubarbandcustard")))
> 
> You might want to change the password…
> 

its okay, its my permanent dummy password, it doesn't work! :)

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