* Entering groups @ 2006-12-02 0:10 Slackrat 2006-12-02 4:16 ` Robert D. Crawford 2006-12-03 19:03 ` Hadron Quark 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Slackrat @ 2006-12-02 0:10 UTC (permalink / raw) I'm new to gnus and seem to be having a few problems Firstly, if my groups are not 'permanently visible' I need to know how to make a particular group visible Secondly, even if a group is visible, it seems to be impossible to get into the group to post an article or to send an email if there is not already at least one post in the group Any assistance would be greatly appreciated My emacs configuration file is at http://azurservers.com/gnus in case any corrections might be necessaery in it -- Regards, Slackrat Bill Henderson [No _4Q_ for direct email] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-02 0:10 Entering groups Slackrat @ 2006-12-02 4:16 ` Robert D. Crawford 2006-12-05 18:14 ` Slackat 2006-12-03 19:03 ` Hadron Quark 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-02 4:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Slackrat <slackrat4Q@azurservers.com> writes: > I'm new to gnus and seem to be having a few problems Let's see if we can clear things up for you. > Firstly, if my groups are not 'permanently visible' I need to know how > to make a particular group visible One way to do this would be to use the 'L' command to list all groups, then use C-s to search for the group you wish to enter. > Secondly, even if a group is visible, it seems to be impossible to > get into the group to post an article or to send an email if there is > not already at least one post in the group I am not sure why you cannot enter a group with no articles. If I try to enter a group with 0 unread articles, it askes me how many articles I wish to view or something of the kind. Read on to solve the problem of article posting you mention. There is no need to be in a group to post an article to a group. If in the Group buffer, hitting 'a' will start a news article. You can then enter the name of the group you wish to post to, using the TAB key to complete the group name. As far as mail, you can do the same thing, only with the 'm' key from the Group buffer. Other things you should know... C-h m while in the Group/Summary/Article buffers will give you mode-specific help. You should read this information, as it is very helpful and concise. Read the gnus info manual. The info system is very nice. Learning to use it will make you very happy. To get into the gnus info manual, and any other info manual, use these commands: C-h i this will go to the top level of the info system. Then you can either search for "gnus" or you can hit the 'm' key to get to a menu item, in this case gnus. > My emacs configuration file is at http://azurservers.com/gnus in case > any corrections might be necessaery in it Hopefully, this will not be necessary. -- Robert D. Crawford rdc1x@comcast.net The girl who remembers her first kiss now has a daughter who can't even remember her first husband. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-02 4:16 ` Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-05 18:14 ` Slackat 2006-12-05 21:42 ` Adam Sjøgren 2006-12-06 21:55 ` Robert D. Crawford 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Slackat @ 2006-12-05 18:14 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes: > Slackrat <slackrat4Q@azurservers.com> writes: > > > I'm new to gnus and seem to be having a few problems > > Let's see if we can clear things up for you. > > > Firstly, if my groups are not 'permanently visible' I need to know how > > to make a particular group visible > > One way to do this would be to use the 'L' command to list all groups, > then use C-s to search for the group you wish to enter. Thank you for the L/l tip I wonder how I missed that one since I have spent a considerable length of time browsing and testing key-bindings However, I am now running emacs/gnus/w3m/erc under X and it is very helpful since the menus are quite navigable with the mouse notwithstanding me being an old CLI afficionado > > > Secondly, even if a group is visible, it seems to be impossible to > > get into the group to post an article or to send an email if there is > > not already at least one post in the group > > I am not sure why you cannot enter a group with no articles. If I try > to enter a group with 0 unread articles, it askes me how many articles I > wish to view or something of the kind. Read on to solve the problem of > article posting you mention. > > There is no need to be in a group to post an article to a group. If in > the Group buffer, hitting 'a' will start a news article. You can then > enter the name of the group you wish to post to, using the TAB key to > complete the group name. The UseNet newsgroups are really no problem, but TAB completion does not seem to work for me. Are there any special pre-requisites?. And even supposing that it did work, would my Posting Styles to any particular group be honoured? > > As far as mail, you can do the same thing, only with the 'm' key from > the Group buffer. > 'm' does in fact open up an email template but contains just the Default information/headers/etc But having got the L/l as a tool now, it is much easier to use gnus. However, it is still impossible to enter a group that has no emails in it I have overcome this by putting a 'dummy' placeholder in the group when I subscribe to it, which then creates the group on disk Perhaps I am tackling the job rongly, but this is what I do: Take for instance my SPF-VERIFY email group I knew from the outset that I would from time to time beat out a test post to verify that my SPF record was OK, so I subscribed to the group, set up my inbound Mail Split, then my outbound Posting Style. Upon attempting to enter the group, I cannot because (a) it does not actually exist on disk and (b), even if it did exist, it would have no emails in it and so still be unusable for outbound traffic Solution? Put in the Placeholder as above and everything is just Peachy EXPIRABLE EMAILS Expiry is no problem with UseNet groups as a simple Catchup disappears them and they presumably eventually die a natural death when the nntp server zaps them It's a bit of a drag when the server is busy and slow pulling in the prior items on a busy, long-retention newsgroup such as rec.bicycles.racing, but I will live with that having enabled that specific option in my configs myself However, auto expire ('immediate) on email groups presents a problem. I don't want to preserve the UCE forwarded from my Toronto FreeNnet account for any longer than it takes to determine that there are no desired emails burried in the junk, so I expire it immediately, and after some investigation discovered (setq nnmail-keep-last-article t) which is perfect. Not that I want to post to this particular group, but I do want to post into other groups that would be treated similarly So everything so far is ticking over nicely BUT I have (setq nnmail-expiry-target "nnml:mail.graveyard") and trying to delete the articles/emails in this group with the Backend 'd' merely appends the whole contents af the group to be appended again to the end How do I purge this group please? Also could you confirm that my Expirable items will disappear in one week as per the HowTo's I have read, or is there something needs to be done specifically to enable this instead of relying upon what is said to be the Default of seven days? BROWSING and TEXT RENDERING This appears in my configs: ;; I WOULD LIKE IT TO ALWAYS USE W3M ;; ################################# ;;(setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) ;; (setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m) (setq nnmail-text-html-renderer 'w3m) Now leaving (setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) uncommented causes gnus to growl at me Changing it to 'Opera produces similar results Attempting to modify the code in browse-url.el to work for Opera produced no results so, since Netscape, Mozilla, FireFox, ThunderBird and their ilk are banished from my system, I symlinked Opera to Netscape and can now merrily view URLs contained in inbound items However, I had no luck with rerndering HTML which is embedded in an item. W3M is installed and M-x w3m callable. Beautiful, but how do I get it to render the HTML text within an article or email? Otherwise I really do not need it since the item can be saved with a few keystrokes as an .HTML file and viewed by clicking it in FileRunner, my X replacement for mc > Other things you should know... > > C-h m while in the Group/Summary/Article buffers will give you > mode-specific help. You should read this information, as it is very > helpful and concise. Thanks for the tip > > Read the gnus info manual. The info system is very nice. Learning to > use it will make you very happy. To get into the gnus info manual, and > any other info manual, use these commands: > > C-h i > > this will go to the top level of the info system. Then you can either > search for "gnus" or you can hit the 'm' key to get to a menu item, in > this case gnus. Been there and got the T-Shirt I never ask for help until I have INFOd, RTFMd, HOWTO'd, SEARCHd and IRCd, you may be sure of that. ___ So in actual fact, gnus, erc, w3m and the ide are up and running much more than acceptably and I am most happy with the results I have obtained from the hours spent upon the project. I am now really into the fine tuning stage -- Slackrat AKA Bill Henderson [No _4Q_ for direct email] emacs/gnus config [http://azurservers.com/gnus] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-05 18:14 ` Slackat @ 2006-12-05 21:42 ` Adam Sjøgren 2006-12-26 7:39 ` Gernot Hassenpflug 2006-12-06 21:55 ` Robert D. Crawford 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2006-12-05 21:42 UTC (permalink / raw) On 05 Dec 2006 19:14:32 +0100, Slackat wrote: > Upon attempting to enter the group, I cannot because (a) it does not > actually exist on disk and (b), even if it did exist, it would have no > emails in it and so still be unusable for outbound traffic > Solution? Put in the Placeholder as above and everything is just Peachy Another solution is to put point on the empty group in the *Group* buffer and go C-u m instead of just m. Best regards, -- "My internal clock is on Tokyo time." Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-05 21:42 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2006-12-26 7:39 ` Gernot Hassenpflug 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Gernot Hassenpflug @ 2006-12-26 7:39 UTC (permalink / raw) asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > On 05 Dec 2006 19:14:32 +0100, Slackat wrote: > >> Upon attempting to enter the group, I cannot because (a) it does not >> actually exist on disk and (b), even if it did exist, it would have no >> emails in it and so still be unusable for outbound traffic > >> Solution? Put in the Placeholder as above and everything is just Peachy > > Another solution is to put point on the empty group in the *Group* > buffer and go C-u m instead of just m. Control-u followed by RET will enter any group and prompt for the number of articles to display. If you press enter (default is display all articles) you will see all articles in an otherwise empty group, and all read articles along with the unread ones in a non-empty group. I use that for mail a lot. -- Gernot Hassenpflug (gernot@rish.kyoto-u.ac.jp) Tel: +81 774 38-3866 JSPS Fellow (Rm.403, RISH, Kyoto Uni.) Fax: +81 774 31-8463 www.rish.kyoto-u.ac.jp/radar-group/members/gernot Mob: +81 90 39493924 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-05 18:14 ` Slackat 2006-12-05 21:42 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2006-12-06 21:55 ` Robert D. Crawford 2006-12-06 21:59 ` David Kastrup 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-06 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Slackat <slackrat4Q@azurservers.com> writes: > Thank you for the L/l tip No problem. > However, I am now running emacs/gnus/w3m/erc under X and it is very > helpful since the menus are quite navigable with the mouse > notwithstanding me being an old CLI afficionado Blasphemy! Using a mouse in emacs... what would rms say? > The UseNet newsgroups are really no problem, but TAB completion does > not seem to work for me. Are there any special pre-requisites?. Not that I can recall. I've been using this particular set-up for quite a while now and some of the configuration issues that I might have run into are long forgotten. Maybe someone else can shed light on this. > And even supposing that it did work, would my Posting Styles to any > particular group be honoured? I can't help you here, as I only use two posting styles, the default and one in a mail group. I am not sure if you can change a posting style after the message buffer is created. > However, it is still impossible to enter a group that has no emails in > it I'm still at a loss here. I thought about it a bit and I think the reason I never had this problem might have been that I imported a _lot_ of mail from pine. > I have overcome this by putting a 'dummy' placeholder in the group > when I subscribe to it, which then creates the group on disk As long as there is a workaround. > I have (setq nnmail-expiry-target "nnml:mail.graveyard") and trying to > delete the articles/emails in this group with the Backend 'd' merely > appends the whole contents af the group to be appended again to the > end Something that can be taken care of in group parameters? Not sure, as I just hold on to the messages for x days and then they are deleted or not, depending on the group. If you check this graveyard every x days, why don't you just set the expiry target to delete and set the wait time to something reasonable. > Also could you confirm that my Expirable items will disappear in one > week as per the HowTo's I have read, or is there something needs to be > done specifically to enable this instead of relying upon what is said > to be the Default of seven days? I have never seen anything in gnus that was set as the default that did not work as advertised. > BROWSING and TEXT RENDERING > > This appears in my configs: > ;; I WOULD LIKE IT TO ALWAYS USE W3M For browsing _and_rendering? > ;;(setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) You do know that this line is commented, right? I am not sure if this is what you intend. Check the documentation for browse-url-browser-function. The argument should be a function. If you are trying to use w3m to browse, set it to w3m-browse-url. > ;; (setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m) If you wish w3m to render the html mail, this is correct, after you uncomment. > (setq nnmail-text-html-renderer 'w3m) I think this might be from a version of gnus earlier than the one that I am using. I looked in my .gnus.el file, one that I have been using for several versions and I do not see this variable anywhere.Also, trying to look up that variable returns nothing. > Now leaving (setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) uncommented > causes gnus to growl at me > > Changing it to 'Opera produces similar results > > Attempting to modify the code in browse-url.el to work for Opera > produced no results so, since Netscape, Mozilla, FireFox, ThunderBird > and their ilk are banished from my system, I symlinked Opera to > Netscape and can now merrily view URLs contained in inbound items Hmmm, forget what I said above. could it be that 'netscape' is a function in browse-url that calls netscape with the url? > However, I had no luck with rerndering HTML which is embedded in an > item. W3M is installed and M-x w3m callable. Beautiful, but how do I > get it to render the HTML text within an article or email? Uncomment (setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m) and all should be fine. > Otherwise I really do not need it since the item can be saved with a > few keystrokes as an .HTML file and viewed by clicking it in > FileRunner, my X replacement for mc Too many steps. Not very emacsy. > Been there and got the T-Shirt > > I never ask for help until I have INFOd, RTFMd, HOWTO'd, SEARCHd > and IRCd, you may be sure of that. Right on! Good to see that there are still people that do not expect all the answers without putting forth any effort. > So in actual fact, gnus, erc, w3m and the ide are up and running much > more than acceptably and I am most happy with the results I have > obtained from the hours spent upon the project. I am now really into > the fine tuning stage This stage never ends. I use emacs for the _only_ interface to my computer and have been for a while. Before that I used it for text and mail/news. I still customize things on a pretty regular basis. You are not static, why should your editor be? take care, rdc -- Robert D. Crawford rdc1x@comcast.net Please ignore previous fortune. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-06 21:55 ` Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-06 21:59 ` David Kastrup 2006-12-07 11:05 ` Robert D. Crawford 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: David Kastrup @ 2006-12-06 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw) "Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes: > Slackat <slackrat4Q@azurservers.com> writes: > >> Thank you for the L/l tip > > No problem. > >> However, I am now running emacs/gnus/w3m/erc under X and it is very >> helpful since the menus are quite navigable with the mouse >> notwithstanding me being an old CLI afficionado > > Blasphemy! Using a mouse in emacs... what would rms say? Given that he has worked very hard to make this possible, partly by working himself on it, partly by persuading others, I doubt he'd complain much. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-06 21:59 ` David Kastrup @ 2006-12-07 11:05 ` Robert D. Crawford 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-07 11:05 UTC (permalink / raw) David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes: > "Robert D. Crawford" <rdc1x@comcast.net> writes: >> Blasphemy! Using a mouse in emacs... what would rms say? > > Given that he has worked very hard to make this possible, partly by > working himself on it, partly by persuading others, I doubt he'd > complain much. I stand educated, Thanks. I still think it is blasphemous. :} rdc -- Robert D. Crawford rdc1x@comcast.net Referring to a book: I read part of it all the way through. -- Samuel Goldwyn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-02 0:10 Entering groups Slackrat 2006-12-02 4:16 ` Robert D. Crawford @ 2006-12-03 19:03 ` Hadron Quark 2006-12-03 21:31 ` Reiner Steib 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Hadron Quark @ 2006-12-03 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Slackrat <slackrat4Q@azurservers.com> writes: > I'm new to gnus and seem to be having a few problems > > Firstly, if my groups are not 'permanently visible' I need to know how > to make a particular group visible I use: (setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "[nnmaildir,gnu].*") > > Secondly, even if a group is visible, it seems to be impossible to > get into the group to post an article or to send an email if there is > not already at least one post in the group > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > My emacs configuration file is at http://azurservers.com/gnus in case > any corrections might be necessaery in it -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-03 19:03 ` Hadron Quark @ 2006-12-03 21:31 ` Reiner Steib 2006-12-04 9:33 ` Hadron Quark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-03 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sun, Dec 03 2006, Hadron Quark wrote: | User-Agent: SimnLewis Lithium-p Reader /Gnus No Gnus/Emacs 22.x If you want to change the User-Agent, please use one conforming to RFC2616 or the current drafts. For the statistics, it would be nice if you could use the default (or remove `system' if you don't want to expose it). See `C-h v gnus-user-agent RET'. > (setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "[nnmaildir,gnu].*") You probably meant "^\\(nnmaildir\\|gnu\\)\\.". Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-03 21:31 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-04 9:33 ` Hadron Quark 2006-12-04 10:25 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Hadron Quark @ 2006-12-04 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: > On Sun, Dec 03 2006, Hadron Quark wrote: > > | User-Agent: SimnLewis Lithium-p Reader /Gnus No Gnus/Emacs 22.x > > If you want to change the User-Agent, please use one conforming to > RFC2616 or the current drafts. For the statistics, it would be nice > if you could use the default (or remove `system' if you don't want to > expose it). See `C-h v gnus-user-agent RET'. That will be coming off, sorry - I was messing with gnushush and forgot to turn it back off. > >> (setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "[nnmaildir,gnu].*") > > You probably meant "^\\(nnmaildir\\|gnu\\)\\.". It seems to work ok for me : should I change to your line? > > Bye, Reiner. -- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-04 9:33 ` Hadron Quark @ 2006-12-04 10:25 ` Reiner Steib 2006-12-05 20:57 ` Hadron Quark 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-04 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, Dec 04 2006, Hadron Quark wrote: > Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: >> If you want to change the User-Agent, please use one conforming to >> RFC2616 or the current drafts. For the statistics, it would be nice >> if you could use the default (or remove `system' if you don't want to >> expose it). See `C-h v gnus-user-agent RET'. > > That will be coming off, sorry - I was messing with gnushush and forgot > to turn it back off. "User-Agent: No Gnus v0.6" is not valid. I'd suggest to (setq gnus-user-agent '(gnus)) which would result in... | User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) >>> (setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "[nnmaildir,gnu].*") >> >> You probably meant "^\\(nnmaildir\\|gnu\\)\\.". > > It seems to work ok for me : should I change to your line? Your regexp matches every group that contains at least one of the characters , a d g i l m n r u: "[nnmaildir,gnu].*" = "[,adgilmnru].*". See (info "(emacs)Regexps"). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Entering groups 2006-12-04 10:25 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-12-05 20:57 ` Hadron Quark 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Hadron Quark @ 2006-12-05 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: > On Mon, Dec 04 2006, Hadron Quark wrote: > >> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: >>> If you want to change the User-Agent, please use one conforming to >>> RFC2616 or the current drafts. For the statistics, it would be nice >>> if you could use the default (or remove `system' if you don't want to >>> expose it). See `C-h v gnus-user-agent RET'. >> >> That will be coming off, sorry - I was messing with gnushush and forgot >> to turn it back off. > > "User-Agent: No Gnus v0.6" is not valid. I'd suggest to > (setq gnus-user-agent '(gnus)) > which would result in... > > | User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) > >>>> (setq gnus-permanently-visible-groups "[nnmaildir,gnu].*") >>> >>> You probably meant "^\\(nnmaildir\\|gnu\\)\\.". >> >> It seems to work ok for me : should I change to your line? > > Your regexp matches every group that contains at least one of the > characters , a d g i l m n r u: "[nnmaildir,gnu].*" = "[,adgilmnru].*". > See (info "(emacs)Regexps"). This would account for some very strange happenings the past months!!! Thanks Reiner. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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