From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/11638 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sj=F8gren?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: unreadable message Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:29:42 +0100 Organization: koldfront - analysis & revolution, Copenhagen, Denmark Message-ID: <87d4gucfrt.fsf@topper.koldfront.dk> References: <20081108164035.A7A80AA94F@sycore.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226950841 16009 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2008 19:40:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:40:41 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 17 20:41:45 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1L29yc-0001hu-Fm for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:41:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48585 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L29xT-0001nZ-PF for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:40:27 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!nuzba.szn.dk!news.koldfront.dk!pnx.dk!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 48 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: topper.koldfront.dk Original-X-Trace: virgil.koldfront.dk 1226950185 15513 192.168.1.160 (17 Nov 2008 19:29:45 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@koldfront.dk Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:29:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Face: )qY&CseJ?.:=8F#^~GcSA?F=9eu'{KAFfL1C3/A&:nE?PW\i65"ba0NS)97, Q(^@xk}n4Ou rPuR#V8I(J_@~H($[ym:`K_+]*kjvW>xH5jbgLBVFGXY:(#4P>zVBklLbdL&XxL\M)%T}3S/IS9lMJ ^St'=VZBR List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:11638 Archived-At: On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 05:22:17 +1000, Alexey wrote: >> I am not sure this is a bug in Gnus - from what you have presented so >> far, it sounds like lack of MIME support in your friends' programmes. > This is very unlikely. Usually, famous web mail services (e.g. google, > yahoo, yandex, hotmail) have proper MIME support. However, my Gnus > produces these unreadable messages, some of which I cannot read myself > even after decoding, as I already said. If you have one of these unreadable messages (that does not contain anything secret you shouldn't reveal), I suggest you post it to the list, so developers can look at it. Saying "sometimes it doesn't work" doesn't give them much to work on :-) >> ,----[ C-h v mm-content-transfer-encoding-defaults RET ] >> You can change the value of this variable if you don't want Gnus to >> choose between quoted-printable and base64 automatically. > Well, that's all fine, but what's really happening is that users > may type cyrillic (utf8), hit (C-c C-c) and the result may be either > readable or unreadable or readable after decoding. Please show us an an example. > We don't know that beforehand and I think we need not because the MUA > is expected to do that consistently. If it doesn't, I presume that to > be a bug. I would expect Gnus to choose the same encoding for two identical emails. For two different emails, you can't be sure - see the documentation of the above mentioned variable. > What do you think? I won't say you're wrong, but an example would make your case much more convincing :-) Best regards, Adam -- "For the fireengines Adam Sjøgren But they were all upside down" asjo@koldfront.dk