From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/8343 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Slackat Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Entering groups Date: 05 Dec 2006 19:14:32 +0100 Organization: Front National [http://www.frontnational.com] Message-ID: <87d56yyzuf.fsf@azurservers.com> References: <87lklrnomu.fsf@azurservers.com> <87vekvorud.fsf@comcast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1165344025 22993 80.91.229.10 (5 Dec 2006 18:40:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 18:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 05 19:40:23 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GrfDF-0005eh-On for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:40:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GrfDE-0003dI-7D for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2006 13:40:16 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!xs4all!feeder2.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!feeder.xsnews.nl!proxad.net!cleanfeed1-b.proxad.net!nnrp13-2.free.fr!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus X-Homepage: http://azurservers.com/ X-Operating-System: Slackware GNU/Linux --current X-GUARANTEE1: This email is Guaranteed to have been free of any malevolent X-GUARANTEE2: content or attachments when sent from @azurservers.com. 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Crawford" writes: > Slackrat writes: > > > I'm new to gnus and seem to be having a few problems > > Let's see if we can clear things up for you. > > > Firstly, if my groups are not 'permanently visible' I need to know how > > to make a particular group visible > > One way to do this would be to use the 'L' command to list all groups, > then use C-s to search for the group you wish to enter. Thank you for the L/l tip I wonder how I missed that one since I have spent a considerable length of time browsing and testing key-bindings However, I am now running emacs/gnus/w3m/erc under X and it is very helpful since the menus are quite navigable with the mouse notwithstanding me being an old CLI afficionado > > > Secondly, even if a group is visible, it seems to be impossible to > > get into the group to post an article or to send an email if there is > > not already at least one post in the group > > I am not sure why you cannot enter a group with no articles. If I try > to enter a group with 0 unread articles, it askes me how many articles I > wish to view or something of the kind. Read on to solve the problem of > article posting you mention. > > There is no need to be in a group to post an article to a group. If in > the Group buffer, hitting 'a' will start a news article. You can then > enter the name of the group you wish to post to, using the TAB key to > complete the group name. The UseNet newsgroups are really no problem, but TAB completion does not seem to work for me. Are there any special pre-requisites?. And even supposing that it did work, would my Posting Styles to any particular group be honoured? > > As far as mail, you can do the same thing, only with the 'm' key from > the Group buffer. > 'm' does in fact open up an email template but contains just the Default information/headers/etc But having got the L/l as a tool now, it is much easier to use gnus. However, it is still impossible to enter a group that has no emails in it I have overcome this by putting a 'dummy' placeholder in the group when I subscribe to it, which then creates the group on disk Perhaps I am tackling the job rongly, but this is what I do: Take for instance my SPF-VERIFY email group I knew from the outset that I would from time to time beat out a test post to verify that my SPF record was OK, so I subscribed to the group, set up my inbound Mail Split, then my outbound Posting Style. Upon attempting to enter the group, I cannot because (a) it does not actually exist on disk and (b), even if it did exist, it would have no emails in it and so still be unusable for outbound traffic Solution? Put in the Placeholder as above and everything is just Peachy EXPIRABLE EMAILS Expiry is no problem with UseNet groups as a simple Catchup disappears them and they presumably eventually die a natural death when the nntp server zaps them It's a bit of a drag when the server is busy and slow pulling in the prior items on a busy, long-retention newsgroup such as rec.bicycles.racing, but I will live with that having enabled that specific option in my configs myself However, auto expire ('immediate) on email groups presents a problem. I don't want to preserve the UCE forwarded from my Toronto FreeNnet account for any longer than it takes to determine that there are no desired emails burried in the junk, so I expire it immediately, and after some investigation discovered (setq nnmail-keep-last-article t) which is perfect. Not that I want to post to this particular group, but I do want to post into other groups that would be treated similarly So everything so far is ticking over nicely BUT I have (setq nnmail-expiry-target "nnml:mail.graveyard") and trying to delete the articles/emails in this group with the Backend 'd' merely appends the whole contents af the group to be appended again to the end How do I purge this group please? Also could you confirm that my Expirable items will disappear in one week as per the HowTo's I have read, or is there something needs to be done specifically to enable this instead of relying upon what is said to be the Default of seven days? BROWSING and TEXT RENDERING This appears in my configs: ;; I WOULD LIKE IT TO ALWAYS USE W3M ;; ################################# ;;(setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) ;; (setq mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m) (setq nnmail-text-html-renderer 'w3m) Now leaving (setq browse-url-browser-function 'netscape) uncommented causes gnus to growl at me Changing it to 'Opera produces similar results Attempting to modify the code in browse-url.el to work for Opera produced no results so, since Netscape, Mozilla, FireFox, ThunderBird and their ilk are banished from my system, I symlinked Opera to Netscape and can now merrily view URLs contained in inbound items However, I had no luck with rerndering HTML which is embedded in an item. W3M is installed and M-x w3m callable. Beautiful, but how do I get it to render the HTML text within an article or email? Otherwise I really do not need it since the item can be saved with a few keystrokes as an .HTML file and viewed by clicking it in FileRunner, my X replacement for mc > Other things you should know... > > C-h m while in the Group/Summary/Article buffers will give you > mode-specific help. You should read this information, as it is very > helpful and concise. Thanks for the tip > > Read the gnus info manual. The info system is very nice. Learning to > use it will make you very happy. To get into the gnus info manual, and > any other info manual, use these commands: > > C-h i > > this will go to the top level of the info system. Then you can either > search for "gnus" or you can hit the 'm' key to get to a menu item, in > this case gnus. Been there and got the T-Shirt I never ask for help until I have INFOd, RTFMd, HOWTO'd, SEARCHd and IRCd, you may be sure of that. ___ So in actual fact, gnus, erc, w3m and the ide are up and running much more than acceptably and I am most happy with the results I have obtained from the hours spent upon the project. I am now really into the fine tuning stage -- Slackrat AKA Bill Henderson [No _4Q_ for direct email] emacs/gnus config [http://azurservers.com/gnus]