From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32497 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2023 02:59:04 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Oct 2023 02:59:04 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtfin-0002N8-1X; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 22:58:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtfil-0002Mw-Gk for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 22:58:43 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-x62a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qtfij-0006go-8D for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 22:58:42 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1c9bf22fe05so2505775ad.2 for ; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 19:58:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697770720; x=1698375520; darn=gnu.org; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:organization :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:sender:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=Vav7eUuw26D4v6fgHsho1yGHAUvTJhtOD2RR/v6mC4U=; b=h82XFwT78apBsDJ0xNHaWKxy/MDGbZBcfRTRYpl3RB4calNjmiH1YPWAduGN0zdh9v Ie0LxnqFq6xRXA9NireF3O0AghKqJlBOZ7vGWVk1eveQ1qIczkgrd+RH/3VKv2EaUnD3 1NCkOP2xLowmsOEFR9Idw7i8JwX0sRqEuB1fsmh/76jaOXBE2NQaIHO7EGJ4Nk4iL+El 6Lj+sKnR6ttZTKain69pV2UEEsNtabXaXgBLmgTv2bC/3UwD7raDDjQT91iQljnWVryf G4PLJ/TEYzszRZKnkVPO7td8bWdVVtaflZx6C1bnGiZAMeFST13dyxPeaQePvZvEcMOT xhlw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697770720; x=1698375520; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:organization :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:sender:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Vav7eUuw26D4v6fgHsho1yGHAUvTJhtOD2RR/v6mC4U=; b=olAunDdExDlNOX3RvotQ+0DDJzv3JjonN3+c7vTFi/kOKp6ufWVXINccqFYgH8u1ME DYnUBphJ7TTZCcQEZ4VJG3K2IhqXTotRKS82XZIVSzbIsInCNkKt7iCycnKJNpQwSLPX GD1NSSoV2/quknlfXViDM4rJx8zJkA2daU/VwGWfTevyw9OH/UEWEwFivrN3Im0LmjUX vsR7sy1KNkgJe2XSRHgqPEmRGC1R1j7I1hOD7FTLX2kCixjdCgqx7g2C7HzOIEYlN0Ur tldOAZ+S4YiepUunbXEa2pe2h5NvkCffQJ8sthghVtLq6rU+ZV62qNjomOo1ey6COg9g IHKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz8EvKIhRGQwdcGadIrUDfxMxK/nuvg7QQzCx4G6IX40Fnibek3 aP5RLH86toK+8S/HoFdZ1ptfQFO6cKPDYQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG0TNx0BgKiEsb/Fyw69C9gTObev2uupikJTTJlxvW+wdBaOzYGM9ncuLWPR3ErplwQLM7LSg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:f98b:b0:1bf:6ad7:2286 with SMTP id ky11-20020a170902f98b00b001bf6ad72286mr649354plb.43.1697770719592; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 19:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dhcp-141-239-241-54.hawaiiantel.net. [141.239.241.54]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i17-20020a17090332d100b001c32fd9e412sm424790plr.58.2023.10.19.19.58.38 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 19 Oct 2023 19:58:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Newell To: Michael Heerdegen Cc: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Subject: Re: Does Gnus read and sync the read with IMAP? In-Reply-To: <87sf66m7pn.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2023 02:57:24 +0200") Organization: Avi Gobbler Publishing References: <65316d26.050a0220.cf46d.a86aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <87pm1ajru6.vaieud@sxvlwsiny.lyvnxaimo.net> <6531aa57.050a0220.a965a.55e5SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <87sf66m7pn.fsf@web.de> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 16:58:37 -1000 Message-ID: <87edhq80f6.qtuqpnw@ymvf.vhkf.net> User-Agent: Brave/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::62a; envelope-from=chipschap@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x62a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Michael Heerdegen writes: > Bob Newell writes: > >> The thing is, your /client/ may show them as read but may or may not >> have uploaded that "being read" information to the IMAP server. Do >> try deliberately closing the client on your phone and see if it helps. >> You have to be sure (at least on Android) to actually exit the client >> and not just switch to another app. > > Does Gnus update the "being read" information from the server also for > messages it already knows (i.e., has seen in a prior session)? This goes well beyond my very limited knowledge so I did an experiment. I went to the gmail web interface and found an already-opened message in the All Mail folder (really a label) that I knew for certain I had originally opened in gnus, so therefore gnus would have known about the message. I marked it unread (on the web) and moved it back to INBOX. Then I started up gnus and gnus saw the message as an unread INBOX message. Based on this it appears the answer is yes, gnus did update the status of this previously seen email. However I don't know how much if any status information gnus actually keeps (and I don't use the registry) so this may or may not be meaningless. It certainly seems as if, when reopening the group subsequent to shutting down gnus at some point, gnus gets a fresh set of information. -- Bob Newell Honolulu, Hawai`i - Via GNU/Linux/Emacs/Gnus/BBDB