Gnus does not save the groups

Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

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Hello.

When starting Gnus, I see two or three dummy groups, the default ones.
Thus, I press U, and type e.g. gnu.emacs.gnus. Then, I can read,
write, access, and do whatever I want with this group.
When I turn Gnus off, and that I turn it on next, my groups is not
here anymore. 
However, when Gnus asked to save .newsrc-dribble or something like
that, I said "Yes".

Why? Thanks.
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Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:29:25 +0200 Merciadri Luca <Luca.Merciadri@student.ulg.ac.be> wrote: 

ML> When starting Gnus, I see two or three dummy groups, the default ones.
ML> Thus, I press U, and type e.g. gnu.emacs.gnus. Then, I can read,
ML> write, access, and do whatever I want with this group.
ML> When I turn Gnus off, and that I turn it on next, my groups is not
ML> here anymore. 
ML> However, when Gnus asked to save .newsrc-dribble or something like
ML> that, I said "Yes".

How did you "turn Gnus off"?  Did you `q'uit, `s'ave, or do something
else?

What's in your .newsrc.eld BEFORE you start Gnus the second time?

Ted

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

On 11 août, 21:01, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> What's in your .newsrc.eld BEFORE you start Gnus the second time?

I tried every possible combination you proposed.

It seems to be static (i.e. not being modified by Gnus).

I have to add every group I want to have a look at, each time I start
Gnus:

* gnu.emacs.gnus
* comp.sys.hp48
* gnu.emacs.help
* nnml:mail.misc
etc,

and it quickly becomes tedious.

Thanks for any help.

$ cat .newsrc.eld
;; -*- emacs-lisp -*-
;; Gnus startup file.
;; Never delete this file -- if you want to force Gnus to read the
;; .newsrc file (if you have one), touch .newsrc instead.
(setq gnus-newsrc-file-version "Gnus v5.11")
(setq gnus-newsrc-last-checked-date '"Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:02:31
+0200")
(setq gnus-newsrc-alist '(("nnml:posted" 6 ((31 . 31)) nil "nnml:")
("nnml:mail.misc" 6 (1 (118 . 217) (226 . 228) 232 239 247 260 275
(287 . 288) 291 (328 . 328)) ((seen (2 . 117) (218 . 225) (229 . 231)
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120569 120626 121091 121105 121133 121153 121183 (121241 . 121242)
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Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Merciadri Luca <merciadriluca@gmail.com> wrote: 

ML> On 11 août, 21:01, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> What's in your .newsrc.eld BEFORE you start Gnus the second time?

ML> I tried every possible combination you proposed.

You didn't answer the most important question: how did you exit Gnus?
Make sure you use `q' or `s' to save your newsrc file.

ML> It seems to be static (i.e. not being modified by Gnus).

Then you're not saving to it.  If you add groups, the newsrc file should
change when you quit or save.

Oh, and as for your file paste:

...
ML> \n" (progn (insert "   ") (gnus-put-text-property (point) (progn
ML> (insert ":                             :") (point)) gnus-mouse-face-
ML> prop gnus-mouse-face) (insert " " gnus-tmp-subject "\n"))) (summary-
...

Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail.  It looks much
better and allows me to see the original file contents.

Ted

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

On 12 août, 18:32, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> You didn't answer the most important question: how did you exit Gnus?
> Make sure you use `q' or `s' to save your newsrc file.
That is what I wanted to say. I tried many times to quit Gnus saving
my newsrc file (and it displays a message showing that it has been
saved correctly).
> Then you're not saving to it.  If you add groups, the newsrc file should
> change when you quit or save.
Surely, but I only show you the result. That is the main point of my
question. :-(

> Oh, and as for your file paste:
>
> ...
> ML> \n" (progn (insert "   ") (gnus-put-text-property (point) (progn
> ML> (insert ":                             :") (point)) gnus-mouse-face-
> ML> prop gnus-mouse-face) (insert " " gnus-tmp-subject "\n"))) (summary-
> ...
>
> Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail.  It looks much
> better and allows me to see the original file contents.
I would have liked to do it, but I am encountering other problems with
my computer where I can use Gnus, and I thus post the messages using
Google's website (that is why these messages are not PGP-signed).

Thanks for your help.

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Dick Hoogendijk]

Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:


> Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail.  It looks much
> better and allows me to see the original file contents.

C-c RET C-f is undefined

So, is this special to your emacs/gnus configuration?

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Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Teemu Likonen]

On 2009-08-13 16:28 (+0200), Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail. It looks much
>> better and allows me to see the original file contents.
>
> C-c RET C-f is undefined
>
> So, is this special to your emacs/gnus configuration?

I'm sure Ted meant "C-c RET f" (mml-attach-file). The same function is
also bound to "C-c C-a".

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:20:46 -0700 (PDT) Merciadri Luca <merciadriluca@gmail.com> wrote: 

ML> On 12 août, 18:32, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
>> You didn't answer the most important question: how did you exit Gnus?
>> Make sure you use `q' or `s' to save your newsrc file.
ML> That is what I wanted to say. I tried many times to quit Gnus saving
ML> my newsrc file (and it displays a message showing that it has been
ML> saved correctly).
>> Then you're not saving to it.  If you add groups, the newsrc file should
>> change when you quit or save.
ML> Surely, but I only show you the result. That is the main point of my
ML> question. :-(

I see.  There's a serious problem with your setup or your Emacs (or
Gnus) installation, if `q'uit and `s'ave don't work.  Can you install
Emacs 23.1 from source in a separate directory and try to use it?  That
way we can establish a baseline of *something* that works.

Ted

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:31:23 +0300 Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> wrote: 

TL> On 2009-08-13 16:28 (+0200), Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
>> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>>> Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail. It looks much
>>> better and allows me to see the original file contents.
>> 
>> C-c RET C-f is undefined
>> 
>> So, is this special to your emacs/gnus configuration?

TL> I'm sure Ted meant "C-c RET f" (mml-attach-file). The same function is
TL> also bound to "C-c C-a".

Yes, sorry.  I am so used to typing it the long way, I didn't even
realize it ends with `f' instead of `C-f'.  My fingers at this point
simply remember the motion and I should have checked it.

Ted

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

On 13 août, 17:09, Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:31:23 +0300 Teemu Likonen <tliko...@iki.fi> wrote:
>
> TL> On 2009-08-13 16:28 (+0200), Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
>
> >> Ted Zlatanov <t...@lifelogs.com> writes:
> >>> Please use `C-c RET C-f' to attach a file to an e-mail. It looks much
> >>> better and allows me to see the original file contents.
>
> >> C-c RET C-f is undefined
>
> >> So, is this special to your emacs/gnus configuration?
>
> TL> I'm sure Ted meant "C-c RET f" (mml-attach-file). The same function is
> TL> also bound to "C-c C-a".
>
> Yes, sorry.  I am so used to typing it the long way, I didn't even
> realize it ends with `f' instead of `C-f'.  My fingers at this point
> simply remember the motion and I should have checked it.
>
> Ted

I just realized that the only way to ask Gnus to save my .newsrc.eld
file is to type `s' then `q', as you stated. It now works. I do not
understand why it does not make the same thing when using Menus!

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

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Merciadri Luca <merciadriluca@gmail.com> writes:

The problem is now solved. I was using `r' at the place of `F' to
answer on Usenet groups. Thanks to Riley, Richard, for this trick I had forgotten.

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Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Merciadri Luca]

On Aug 16, 4:26 pm, Merciadri Luca <Luca.Mercia...@student.ulg.ac.be>
wrote:
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>
> The problem is now solved. I was using `r' at the place of `F' to
> answer on Usenet groups. Thanks to Riley, Richard, for this trick I had forgotten.
>
> - --
> Merciadri Luca
> Seehttp://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/
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Sorry, this answer was for another thread. You can consider this
problem solved too.

Re: Gnus does not save the groups

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 05:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Merciadri Luca <merciadriluca@gmail.com> wrote: 

ML> I just realized that the only way to ask Gnus to save my .newsrc.eld
ML> file is to type `s' then `q', as you stated. It now works. I do not
ML> understand why it does not make the same thing when using Menus!

Just `q' should do it.  But what menu are you using that doesn't ask you
to save?  This could be a bug so please tell us what exactly you did.

Ted