From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/18638 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: how can I keep gnus from Hiding All Threads when open a group Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:35:47 +0800 Message-ID: <87fuez2y6k.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87tw3xrabh.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <8660gdgegb.fsf@local.lan> <871sr0v8qt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1497663412 16550 195.159.176.226 (17 Jun 2017 01:36:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 01:36:52 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 17 03:36:47 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fO-0003ri-SR for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:36:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33062 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fS-0004dz-G0 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:36:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fQ-0004do-1W for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fN-00014m-0X for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=35052 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fM-000146-Qp for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2017 21:36:44 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dM2fD-0003Pm-Lm for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:36:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:oPajxMEnmehBmF8mrYLrl5Cc5EM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "info-gnus-english" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:18638 Archived-At: Harry Putnam writes: [...] >> No matter what, I think the main recommendation would be to try to open >> group buffers with fewer messages! Is it really necessary to display >> tens of thousands of messages each time? [...] > (The effort to acquire postings is preparatory to try to learn how to > use the new search possibilities that yourself, Andrew C and others > have been working on currently as noted in several continuing threads > on `gmane.emacs.gnus.general') > > The problem is that if I asked gnus to just download whatever is on > the gmane or enews.newsguy.com spools for a group..., in the most > interesting ones there may be several hundred thousand msgs going back > to early 2000, in some cases I've gotten clear into the late 90s. > > So I set about acquiring around 50,000 or so where possible. Ended up > with 8 grps or so, but most are between 10 and 40 thousand with a few > above 70,000. > > Hence the spate of time spent opening many many headers to be able to > mark and download 50,000 or so in bunches of 5,000 or so, and over > time, so as not to get blackballed off gmane for abusive downloading. > > Maybe some kind of trickery with agent categories could have made this > a bit or even a lot easier... I just set the predicate to `true' on > all agentized groups and did the downloading manually > > I have 38 groups agentized over three servers .. quite minor league > compared to a real news spool... > > I ended up with 1,033,195 posts but now only have to keep up with what > is newly posted. Yeesh... At this point it might make more sense just to install your own local LeafNode server and do nntp yourself, don't you think? I'm sorry I can't speak to your specific questions about the agent -- I only use the agent with my gmane backend (all the other backends are local), and there I just agentize the whole server, I haven't tried anything finer-grained than that.