From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/16208 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user,gmane.discuss Subject: Re: threading broken in g.e.gnus Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 17:38:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87fvz7o6ps.fsf@riseup.net> References: <87a9pf7hcc.fsf@rash.fl.quadium.net> <87wqsj4lmq.fsf@rash.fl.quadium.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365010699 14396 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2013 17:38:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 17:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: gmane-discuss-8Df2Q3VNN1VeQc5e7gblnA@public.gmane.org To: info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Wed Apr 03 19:38:47 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRe2-0005pS-Si for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:38:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36012 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRde-0004Kw-2W for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49422) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRdZ-0004FQ-6H for info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:38:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRdU-0001az-Iu for info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:38:17 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:59771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRdU-0001af-Bu for info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 13:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNRdr-0005g3-52 for info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:38:35 +0200 Original-Received: from 96.47.226.19 ([96.47.226.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:38:35 +0200 Original-Received: from wgreenhouse by 96.47.226.19 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:38:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Followup-To: gmane.discuss Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-dbVV3NMTNubNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 96.47.226.19 X-Archive: encrypt User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:/1cxOPr5KOD5HFmF/bBU/mAh2pQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:16208 gmane.discuss:15582 Archived-At: Tim Howe writes: > On 03 Apr 2013, wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) wrote: > >> Tim Howe writes: >> >>> I'm noticing many of the threads in here are completely broken. It >>> seems the Message-IDs are getting replaced by Mailman ones so References >>> and In-Reply-To headers are left dangling. >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/xgxuZT0.png >> >> You can try customizing `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function'. >> Gnus's default is indeed to fall back on Subject if References are >> wrong > > Thanks for that, but I was actually commenting on the munging itself, > not how Gnus is handling it on display. It seems something (GMANE?) is > chewing on the articles and replacing the Message-IDs with "Mailman" > ones, meaning that references and threading are broken non-predictably > depending on the path messages take. Yes, the problem seems correlated to [followups to] posts made from info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org, as opposed to the Gmane or Google Groups routes. It's still noticeable, although not as frequently, with my display settings for Gnus ( http://ompldr.org/vaHo3dQ ). Crossposting to gmane.discuss to see if the Gmane admins have an idea about this. Best, Will -- BOFH excuse #12: dry joints on cable plug