* threading broken in g.e.gnus (was: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?) [not found] <mailman.23008.1364502994.855.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2013-04-03 15:40 ` Tim Howe 2013-04-03 16:05 ` threading broken in g.e.gnus W. Greenhouse [not found] ` <mailman.23407.1365005109.855.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Tim Howe @ 2013-04-03 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english I'm noticing many of the threads in here are completely broken. It seems the Message-IDs are getting replaced by Mailman ones so References and In-Reply-To headers are left dangling. So Gnus falls back to the "same-subject-guessing" behavior. http://i.imgur.com/xgxuZT0.png Is this intentional? -- Tim Howe http://quadium.net/~vsync/ The lack of interest, the disdain for history is what makes computing not-quite-a-field. [...] They have no idea where [their culture came from] and the Internet was done so well that most people think of it as a natural resource like the Pacific Ocean, rather than something that was man-made. When was the last time a technology with a scale like that was so error-free? The Web, in comparison, is a joke. The Web was done by amateurs. -- Alan Kay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: threading broken in g.e.gnus 2013-04-03 15:40 ` threading broken in g.e.gnus (was: Can't send emails to this list via gmane?) Tim Howe @ 2013-04-03 16:05 ` W. Greenhouse [not found] ` <mailman.23407.1365005109.855.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: W. Greenhouse @ 2013-04-03 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ Tim Howe <vsync-n9BkStgIQNfR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > I'm noticing many of the threads in here are completely broken. It > seems the Message-IDs are getting replaced by Mailman ones so References > and In-Reply-To headers are left dangling. So Gnus falls back to the > "same-subject-guessing" behavior. > > http://i.imgur.com/xgxuZT0.png > > Is this intentional? You can try customizing `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function'. Gnus's default is indeed to fall back on Subject if References are wrong, but you can eliminate this behavior if you wish. See also (info "(gnus) Loose Threads"). -- Regards, WGG ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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* Re: threading broken in g.e.gnus [not found] ` <mailman.23407.1365005109.855.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2013-04-03 16:36 ` Tim Howe 2013-04-03 17:38 ` W. Greenhouse 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Tim Howe @ 2013-04-03 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 03 Apr 2013, wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) wrote: > Tim Howe <vsync@quadium.net> writes: > >> I'm noticing many of the threads in here are completely broken. It >> seems the Message-IDs are getting replaced by Mailman ones so References >> and In-Reply-To headers are left dangling. > > You can try customizing `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function'. > Gnus's default is indeed to fall back on Subject if References are > wrong Thanks for that, but I was actually commenting on the munging itself, not how Gnus is handling it on display. It seems something (GMANE?) is chewing on the articles and replacing the Message-IDs with "Mailman" ones, meaning that references and threading are broken non-predictably depending on the path messages take. -- Tim Howe http://quadium.net/~vsync/ The lack of interest, the disdain for history is what makes computing not-quite-a-field. [...] They have no idea where [their culture came from] and the Internet was done so well that most people think of it as a natural resource like the Pacific Ocean, rather than something that was man-made. When was the last time a technology with a scale like that was so error-free? The Web, in comparison, is a joke. The Web was done by amateurs. -- Alan Kay ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: threading broken in g.e.gnus 2013-04-03 16:36 ` Tim Howe @ 2013-04-03 17:38 ` W. Greenhouse 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: W. Greenhouse @ 2013-04-03 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ; +Cc: gmane-discuss-8Df2Q3VNN1VeQc5e7gblnA Tim Howe <vsync-n9BkStgIQNfR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> writes: > On 03 Apr 2013, wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse) wrote: > >> Tim Howe <vsync-n9BkStgIQNfR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org> writes: >> >>> I'm noticing many of the threads in here are completely broken. It >>> seems the Message-IDs are getting replaced by Mailman ones so References >>> and In-Reply-To headers are left dangling. >>> >>> http://i.imgur.com/xgxuZT0.png >> >> You can try customizing `gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function'. >> Gnus's default is indeed to fall back on Subject if References are >> wrong > > Thanks for that, but I was actually commenting on the munging itself, > not how Gnus is handling it on display. It seems something (GMANE?) is > chewing on the articles and replacing the Message-IDs with "Mailman" > ones, meaning that references and threading are broken non-predictably > depending on the path messages take. Yes, the problem seems correlated to [followups to] posts made from info-gnus-english-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org, as opposed to the Gmane or Google Groups routes. It's still noticeable, although not as frequently, with my display settings for Gnus ( http://ompldr.org/vaHo3dQ ). Crossposting to gmane.discuss to see if the Gmane admins have an idea about this. Best, Will -- BOFH excuse #12: dry joints on cable plug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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