Gnus and Gmail

Gnus and Gmail

[Angelina Carlton]

Hello,
I would like to send and receive all my gmail without having to use a
webrowser and to use Gnus instead.

I have configured fetchmail to receive my gmail and drop it in my mail
spool and Gnus can read this without a problem.

The only problem now is sending from the gmail account.
First I need to make it appear that I am using the gmail account when
replying to mail originating from gmail.

As I understand it, I can use a posting-style for this? Does this look
correct?

,----
| (setq gnus-posting-styles
|    '((".*"
|       (name "Angelina Carlton")
|       (address "debian@magma.ca")
|       (signature-file "/home/orchid/.signature"))
|      ("^nnml.*gmail"
|       (name "bzgirl")
|       (address "bzgirl@gmail.com")
|       (signature-file "/home/orchid/.signature.bzgirl"))))
`----

The next step is much harder for me to figure out, I found a guide on
the internet (http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~terjeros/wiki/GnusGmail) and use this:

,----
| ;; gmail
| (defun fs-change-smtp ()
|   "Change the SMTP server according to the current from line."
|   (save-excursion
|     (let ((from
|            (save-restriction
|              (message-narrow-to-headers)
|              (message-fetch-field "from"))))
|       (message "From is `%s', setting `smtpmail-smtp-server' to `%s'"
|                from
|                (cond
|                 ((string-match "bzgirl@gmail.com" from)
|                   ;; Use stmp-auth
|                   (message "Using smtp-auth")
|                    ;; Sending mail
|                    (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
|                     (setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 465 nil nil)))
|                      (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 465 "bzgirl@gmail.com" "PASSWORD)")))
|                       (setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
|                        (setq smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
|                         (setq smtpmail-smtp-service 465))
|                 ((string-match "bzgirl@example.org" from)
|                   ;; Use local sendmail
|                   (message "Using local sendmail")
|                    (setq message-send-mail-function `message-send-mail-with-sendmail))
|                 (t
|                   (error 
|                      (concat "Don't know which mail server to use for "
|                                from)))))))
|     (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'fs-change-smtp)
`----

I think the posting style works (haven't been able to send a test mail to
check) because the headers look right, but when I issue C-c C-c gnus
then hangs with the message "Sending Mail..." in the mini-buffer.


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-----Angelina Carlton-----
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     debian@magma.ca
    http://bzgirl.org
--------------------------

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Brep]

Angelina Carlton <debian@magma.ca> writes:

[...]

> I think the posting style works (haven't been able to send a test mail to
> check) because the headers look right, but when I issue C-c C-c gnus
> then hangs with the message "Sending Mail..." in the mini-buffer.

Install Gnutls-bin or starttls, gnus need one of them to handle ssl/tls
connection.

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Angelina Carlton]

I have both of those utilities installed.
Now it hangs after re-writing the address..
Loading mailalias...done

If I then C-g gnus will hang on the sending of the mail..
Sending via mail...

Is there a way to make this process more verbose?
debugging messages or something? 
There is smtp buffer after I C-g the second time but it only contains
QUIT^M or something like that.

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-----Angelina Carlton-----
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     debian@magma.ca
    http://bzgirl.org
--------------------------

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Brep]

Angelina Carlton <debian@magma.ca> writes:

> Is there a way to make this process more verbose?
> debugging messages or something? 

(setq smtpmail-debug-info t)

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Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Brep]

Angelina Carlton <debian@magma.ca> writes:

> If I then C-g gnus will hang on the sending of the mail..
> Sending via mail...

by the way, gmail's smtp connection is unacceptable slow in the past few
month, at least from where I am, it take's several minites to send a
simple mail, I have to quit to use gmail's smtp sever.

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Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Leo]

On Friday, 24 Nov 2006, Angelina Carlton wrote:

> I have both of those utilities installed.
> Now it hangs after re-writing the address..
> Loading mailalias...done
>
> If I then C-g gnus will hang on the sending of the mail..
> Sending via mail...
>
> Is there a way to make this process more verbose?
> debugging messages or something? 
> There is smtp buffer after I C-g the second time but it only contains
> QUIT^M or something like that.

In addition to Brep's reply, you might also be helpful to enable
debug-on-quit:

,----[ C-h f toggle-debug-on-quit RET ]
| toggle-debug-on-quit is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `menu-bar.el'.
| It is bound to <menu-bar> <options> <debug-on-quit>.
| (toggle-debug-on-quit &optional interactively)
| 
| Toggle whether to enter Lisp debugger when C-g is pressed.
| In an interactive call, record this option as a candidate for saving
| by "Save Options" in Custom buffers.
| 
| [back]
`----

-- 
Leo

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Hadron Quark]

Angelina Carlton <debian@magma.ca> writes:

> I have both of those utilities installed.
> Now it hangs after re-writing the address..
> Loading mailalias...done
>
> If I then C-g gnus will hang on the sending of the mail..
> Sending via mail...
>
> Is there a way to make this process more verbose?
> debugging messages or something? 
> There is smtp buffer after I C-g the second time but it only contains
> QUIT^M or something like that.

I too had a nightmare with this.

Upgrade to emacs-snapshot if you are using ubuntu, else google up
building from CVS.

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Shanks N]

Angelina Carlton <debian@magma.ca> writes:

> I have both of those utilities installed.
> Now it hangs after re-writing the address..
> Loading mailalias...done
>
> If I then C-g gnus will hang on the sending of the mail..
> Sending via mail...
>
> Is there a way to make this process more verbose?
> debugging messages or something? 
> There is smtp buffer after I C-g the second time but it only contains
> QUIT^M or something like that.
>

Have you tried with msmtp?  Admittedly mine is on Windows/cygwin and
with the following setup, I'm able to send and receive emails through
Gnus and gmail.  For sending emails, with the following msmtprc.txt
file, and setting the same in emacs, I was able to send emails.

And on the gnus.general list, there was a patch offered to message.el
so that it can take extra args to handle the posting styles issue for
msmtp. 

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#msmtprc.txt
account default
host smtp.gmail.com
auth on
user dumo@gmail.com
password xxxxxx
port 587
tls on
logfile c:\msmtplog.txt
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

No Gnus v0.6
GNU Emacs 22.0.50.2 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2005-04-17 on LAPTOP

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
(setq gnus-select-method '(nnnil ""))
(add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods '(nnml ""))
;;;;use this if you have gnutls-cli installed
(setq mail-sources
      '((pop :server "pop.gmail.com"
             :port 995
             :user "dumo@gmail.com"
             :password "xxxxxx"
             :stream ssl)))
;;;;use this if you have fetchmail installed
;;(eval-after-load "mail-source"
;;  '(add-to-list 'mail-sources '(file :path "/var/spool/mail/dumo")))


;;if retrieving from spool, delete temp file after 1 days
(setq mail-source-delete-incoming 1)
(setq mail-source-delete-old-incoming-confirm nil)
(eval-after-load "mail-source" '(require 'pop3))
(setq sendmail-program "c:/gnu/bin/msmtp.exe")
;; (setq starttls-gnutls-program "/usr/bin/gnutls-cli")
;; (setq starttls-use-gnutls t)
;; (setq message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it)
;; (setq smtpmail-starttls-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 nil nil)))
;; (setq smtpmail-auth-credentials '(("smtp.gmail.com" 587 "dumo@gmail.com" "xxxxxx")))
;; (setq smtpmail-default-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
;; (setq smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com")
;; (setq smtpmail-smtp-service 587)

(setq mail-host-address "gmail.com")
(setq smtpmail-debug-info t) ; only to debug problems set to t if needed
(setq smtpmail-debug-verb t)
;;;set the level of messages really high
(setq gnus-verbose 10)
(setq gnus-verbose-backends 10)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Sending from Gnus with gnutls didn't work but it appears to be a known
problem in Windows.  At least from what was posted in the gnutls
list.  

In summary, you can post through the combination of Gnus + msmtp and
receive mails  through Gnus  + gnutls-cli or Gnus + fetchmail.

This is on windows where things *nix don't play so well, even with
cygwin installed.  So, if you're on a *nix platform, things should be
that much easier.


regards,
Shanks

-- 

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Angelina Carlton]

Shanks N <shanks.n@gmail.com> writes:

> Have you tried with msmtp?  Admittedly mine is on Windows/cygwin and
> with the following setup, I'm able to send and receive emails through
> Gnus and gmail.  For sending emails, with the following msmtprc.txt
> file, and setting the same in emacs, I was able to send emails.
>
> And on the gnus.general list, there was a patch offered to message.el
> so that it can take extra args to handle the posting styles issue for
> msmtp. 

This did the trick thanks! I installed msmtp and set a config file
like you suggested and everything now works, thank you again.
-- 
-----Angelina Carlton-----
orchid on irc.freenode.net
     debian@magma.ca
    http://bzgirl.org
--------------------------

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Richard Riley]

"parmenides" <mobile.parmenides@gmail.com> writes:

> I just resolved the configuration problem this morning. Actually, you can 
> google many articles concerning how to configure IMAP of gmail. In my 
> opinion, it 's very critical that there is an installation of 'openssl', a 
> program designed to do ssl connection between client and server, in you 
> system.
>
> I am using Emacs-22.3-win and openssl of cygwin.
>
> Good luck.
>

This gmail interfacing never seems to run smoothly - it might be nice if
you can (or maybe you have already) update the emacs wiki with your
config. It, or rather that issue, does seem to rear its ugly head an
awful lot. I have vague memories of starttls on a debian being an issue
but really cant remember how I got it working. That combined with my
dynamic IP being blacklisted! I don't use gmail directly from gnus
anymore and prefer to run my own imap server which is fed by getmail.


>
> "Byung-Hee HWANG" <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ:mailman.2141.1235931707.31690.info-gnus-english@gnu.org...
>> Hello i'm newbie for Gnus. Does people use Gmail(imap) on Gnus? If it is 
>> possible, how can i use Gmail? FYI, i use another host for sending mail. 
>> So i need only imap setting for now.
>>
>> byunghee
>>
>> 
>
>

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Re: Gnus and Gmail

[parmenides]

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I just resolved the configuration problem this morning. Actually, you can 
google many articles concerning how to configure IMAP of gmail. In my 
opinion, it 's very critical that there is an installation of 'openssl', a 
program designed to do ssl connection between client and server, in you 
system.

I am using Emacs-22.3-win and openssl of cygwin.

Good luck.


"Byung-Hee HWANG" <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> дÈëÏûÏ¢ÐÂÎÅ:mailman.2141.1235931707.31690.info-gnus-english@gnu.org...
> Hello i'm newbie for Gnus. Does people use Gmail(imap) on Gnus? If it is 
> possible, how can i use Gmail? FYI, i use another host for sending mail. 
> So i need only imap setting for now.
>
> byunghee
>
> 

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Andrzej Adam Filip wrote:
> Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:
> 
>> Hello i'm newbie for Gnus. Does people use Gmail(imap) on Gnus? If it
>> is possible, how can i use Gmail? FYI, i use another host for sending
>> mail. So i need only imap setting for now.
>>
>> byunghee
> 
> Have you read/tried the link below?
> 
> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail
> GnusGmail
> 

Oh.. thank you so much!

byunghee

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Andrzej Adam Filip]

Byung-Hee HWANG <bh@izb.knu.ac.kr> wrote:

> Hello i'm newbie for Gnus. Does people use Gmail(imap) on Gnus? If it
> is possible, how can i use Gmail? FYI, i use another host for sending
> mail. So i need only imap setting for now.
>
> byunghee

Have you read/tried the link below?

http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusGmail
GnusGmail

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Gnus and Gmail

[Byung-Hee HWANG]

Hello i'm newbie for Gnus. Does people use Gmail(imap) on Gnus? If it is 
possible, how can i use Gmail? FYI, i use another host for sending mail. 
So i need only imap setting for now.

byunghee

Re: Gnus and Gmail

[Leo]

On Sunday,  3 Dec 2006, Guillaume wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm a new gnus user and have some problems with Gmail...
> I can't get my mail from my Gmail box using Gnus. I don't want to use neither 
> fetchmail nor procmail  but just Gnus. 
> Thanks for your help.

Check this out:
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/GnusGmail

-- 
Leo

Gnus and Gmail

[Guillaume]

Hi,

I'm a new gnus user and have some problems with Gmail...
I can't get my mail from my Gmail box using Gnus. I don't want to use neither 
fetchmail nor procmail  but just Gnus. 
Thanks for your help.

gnus and gmail

[lucius]

Hi all!
I'd like to know whether someone knows about a way to read gmail 
mails without using pop. I'm looking for something which lets you 
browse your email account as it was on an imap server.
I think it would be possible to have an el file which browses 
the html interface of gmail, 
or use the gmail api.
Any ideas?
Thanks
Giorgio Luciani