Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Cor]

The Feisty Youngster Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug)
scribbled this (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) stuff

>
>In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
>folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>
>Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
>delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
>especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 

if you use something like this to sort mail to read in gnus:

;; (setq nnmail-split-methods
      '(
	("cron"		"^Subject: cron:.*")
	("cvs"          "^Subject: \\[CVS\\]")
 	("rootmail"     "^From: root@ ")
        ...
	("spam"     ""))))


;;;;;; Expiring junk  

(setq auto-expire t)
(setq gnus-inhibit-user-auto-expire nil)
(setq gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups "nnml.*")
(setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
           (lambda (group)
            (cond ((string= "spam"  group ) 1)
           ; ...
	;; deleting a message after 1 day
		  ((string= "private" group ) 'never)
		  ((string= "slackware" group ) 'never)
        ;; never deleting a message                   
         ; ...
		  (t 7))))
        ;;all aother groups are deleted after 7 days


Cor

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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Rainer M. Krug]

Cor  <cor@clsnet.nl> writes:

> The Feisty Youngster Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug)
> scribbled this (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) stuff
>
>>
>>In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
>>folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>>
>>Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
>>delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
>>especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 
>
> if you use something like this to sort mail to read in gnus:
>
> ;; (setq nnmail-split-methods
>       '(
> 	("cron"		"^Subject: cron:.*")
> 	("cvs"          "^Subject: \\[CVS\\]")
>  	("rootmail"     "^From: root@ ")
>         ...
> 	("spam"     ""))))
>
>
> ;;;;;; Expiring junk  
>
> (setq auto-expire t)
> (setq gnus-inhibit-user-auto-expire nil)
> (setq gnus-auto-expirable-newsgroups "nnml.*")
> (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function
>            (lambda (group)
>             (cond ((string= "spam"  group ) 1)
>            ; ...
> 	;; deleting a message after 1 day
> 		  ((string= "private" group ) 'never)
> 		  ((string= "slackware" group ) 'never)
>         ;; never deleting a message                   
>          ; ...
> 		  (t 7))))
>         ;;all aother groups are deleted after 7 days
>

I assume this is automatically splitting the messages - correct? I am
actually looking for something to do it manually.
I wil loo into the automatic version later, but not that applicable as I
am using gnus mainly for email.

Thanks,

Rainer

>
> Cor
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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Cor]

The Feisty Youngster Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug)
scribbled this (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) stuff

>Cor  <cor@clsnet.nl> writes:
>
>> The Feisty Youngster Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug)
>> scribbled this (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) stuff
>>
>>>
>>>In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
>>>folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>>>
>>>Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
>>>delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
>>>especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 
>>
>> if you use something like this to sort mail to read in gnus:
>>
>> ;; (setq nnmail-split-methods
>>       '(
>> 	("cron"		"^Subject: cron:.*")
>> 	("cvs"          "^Subject: \\[CVS\\]")
>>  	("rootmail"     "^From: root@ ")
>>         ...
>> 	("spam"     ""))))

>I assume this is automatically splitting the messages - correct? I am
>actually looking for something to do it manually.
>I wil loo into the automatic version later, but not that applicable as I
>am using gnus mainly for email.

Yes, I do read mail in gnus.
Gnus gets it mail (in linmux) from /var/spool/mail/user file and then
the nnmail split metthos kicks in.
to make a group in gnus  

;;  G > m  name [enter]  method: nnml [enter]
sorting into a the destined is automatic.
the "spam" group is my catch-all-other-mail-group.

and you can set diverse mailheaders and or other regexes per group in: 

;;;as an examples from my gnus.el file:

;; (setq gnus-posting-styles

      '((".*"

;; for normal newsgroups

	 (From "Cor  <cor@clsnet.nl>")
	 (Organization "Clsnet Linux Systems")
	 (signature-file "~/.signature"))

;; for mail use         
	 
         ("nnml.private"
	 (From "Cor <cor@clsnet.nl>")
	 (signature-file "~/.priv-sig"))))

Hope it helps a bit.

Cor


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How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Rainer M. Krug]

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Hi

I have a question about using Archive and Delete when accessing gmail
via gnus. I am aware, that Archiving can be achieved by "deleting" the
message in gnus from the e.g. inbox (B DEL), but then I always have to
confirm with "yes". Also, it might be dangerous when using this on other
accounts.

In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 

Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 

Would it be possible, to define a key (possibly A) to archive, while E
still expires (i.e. deletes) the email?

Thanks,

Rainer

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Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology
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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[W. Greenhouse]

Rainer-vfylz/Ys1k4@public.gmane.org (Rainer M. Krug) writes:

> Hi
>
> I have a question about using Archive and Delete when accessing gmail
> via gnus. I am aware, that Archiving can be achieved by "deleting" the
> message in gnus from the e.g. inbox (B DEL), but then I always have to
> confirm with "yes". Also, it might be dangerous when using this on other
> accounts.
>
> In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
> folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>
> Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
> delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
> especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 
>
> Would it be possible, to define a key (possibly A) to archive, while E
> still expires (i.e. deletes) the email?

See the variable `gnus-move-split-methods.'  You can set [Gmail]/All
Mail as the default move target for your Gmail nnimap groups, then when
you mark a bunch of messages and do B m that will be the default choice
for moving.

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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Rainer M. Krug]

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a question about using Archive and Delete when accessing gmail
>> via gnus. I am aware, that Archiving can be achieved by "deleting" the
>> message in gnus from the e.g. inbox (B DEL), but then I always have to
>> confirm with "yes". Also, it might be dangerous when using this on other
>> accounts.
>>
>> In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
>> folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>>
>> Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
>> delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
>> especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 
>>
>> Would it be possible, to define a key (possibly A) to archive, while E
>> still expires (i.e. deletes) the email?
>
> See the variable `gnus-move-split-methods.'  You can set [Gmail]/All
> Mail as the default move target for your Gmail nnimap groups, then when
> you mark a bunch of messages and do B m that will be the default choice
> for moving.
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> In contrast, "Deleting" can be achieved by moving the message to the
> folder [gmail]\bin (or what it is called in the locale one is using). 
>
> Now I am using Expire to move the emails to the bin folder, i.e. to
> delete them. But is there something similar I could use to Archive them?
> especially archiving several message becomes a pain. 
>
> Would it be possible, to define a key (possibly A) to archive, while E
> still expires (i.e. deletes) the email?

See the variable `gnus-move-split-methods.'  You can set [Gmail]/All
Mail as the default move target for your Gmail nnimap groups, then when
you mark a bunch of messages and do B m that will be the default choice
for moving.

This looks like a good option. But I am still struggling with the regexp
for groups (maybe because I do not understand the naming of groups?).

So I have my gmail account defined as primary source:

(setq gnus-select-method 
               '(nnimap "gmail"
                        (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")
                        (nnimap-server-port 993)
                        (nnimap-stream ssl)
                        (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo.gpg")
                        (nnmail-expiry-target "[Gmail]/Bin")
                        (nnmail-expiry-wait 2)))
  
and I would like to set the default move target for all groups in this
primary source to "[gmail]/All Mail":

(setq gnus-move-split-methods
        '(("nnimap.*" "[gmail]/All Mail")))

but it is not working. 

I assume it is something wrong with the regexp "nnimap.*" - my reasoning
was: match all groups which start with nnimap.

This regexp also concerns other configuratios which are not working...

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Rainer

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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[W. Greenhouse]

Hi Rainer,

Rainer-vfylz/Ys1k4@public.gmane.org (Rainer M. Krug) writes:

> This looks like a good option. But I am still struggling with the regexp
> for groups (maybe because I do not understand the naming of groups?).
>
> So I have my gmail account defined as primary source:
>
> (setq gnus-select-method 
>                '(nnimap "gmail"
>                         (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")
>                         (nnimap-server-port 993)
>                         (nnimap-stream ssl)
>                         (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo.gpg")
>                         (nnmail-expiry-target "[Gmail]/Bin")
>                         (nnmail-expiry-wait 2)))
>   
> and I would like to set the default move target for all groups in this
> primary source to "[gmail]/All Mail":
>
> (setq gnus-move-split-methods
>         '(("nnimap.*" "[gmail]/All Mail")))
>
> but it is not working. 
>
> I assume it is something wrong with the regexp "nnimap.*" - my reasoning
> was: match all groups which start with nnimap.
>
> This regexp also concerns other configuratios which are not working...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rainer

From the config you posted here, it looks like all your Gmail mailboxes
are so-called "native groups."  "Native groups" are those which use
`gnus-select-method' as opposed to one of the secondary select methods
or a "foreign" server.  All this "native" vs. "foreign" is perhaps all
making Gnus sound rather ethnocentric, but the gist of it is that
"native groups" do not have the server type prepended to their names.
That is, because Gmail is your primary select method, Gmail groups on
your system simply have names like "INBOX" or "[Gmail]/Important", and
not names like "nnimap+imap.gmail.com:INBOX".  So that's why your
regexes went astray.

`gnus-move-split-methods' and `gnus-split-methods' and similar such
rules in Gnus are applied such that more specific rules can override
more general ones.  If you are primarily using Gnus as a Gmail client,
it might make a lot of sense to have the most general rule direct any
re-filed message to the Gmail archive, and then make exceptions to this
later on.  So, perhaps try this:

(setq gnus-move-split-methods
      '((".*" "[Gmail]/All Mail")))

Good luck!
Best,
Will

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Re: How to deal with "Archive" and "delete" in gmail?

[Rainer M. Krug]

wgreenhouse@riseup.net (W. Greenhouse) writes:

> Hi Rainer,
>
> Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes:
>
>> This looks like a good option. But I am still struggling with the regexp
>> for groups (maybe because I do not understand the naming of groups?).
>>
>> So I have my gmail account defined as primary source:
>>
>> (setq gnus-select-method 
>>                '(nnimap "gmail"
>>                         (nnimap-address "imap.gmail.com")
>>                         (nnimap-server-port 993)
>>                         (nnimap-stream ssl)
>>                         (nnimap-authinfo-file "~/.authinfo.gpg")
>>                         (nnmail-expiry-target "[Gmail]/Bin")
>>                         (nnmail-expiry-wait 2)))
>>   
>> and I would like to set the default move target for all groups in this
>> primary source to "[gmail]/All Mail":
>>
>> (setq gnus-move-split-methods
>>         '(("nnimap.*" "[gmail]/All Mail")))
>>
>> but it is not working. 
>>
>> I assume it is something wrong with the regexp "nnimap.*" - my reasoning
>> was: match all groups which start with nnimap.
>>
>> This regexp also concerns other configuratios which are not working...
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rainer
>
> From the config you posted here, it looks like all your Gmail mailboxes
> are so-called "native groups."  "Native groups" are those which use
> `gnus-select-method' as opposed to one of the secondary select methods
> or a "foreign" server.  All this "native" vs. "foreign" is perhaps all
> making Gnus sound rather ethnocentric, but the gist of it is that
> "native groups" do not have the server type prepended to their names.
> That is, because Gmail is your primary select method, Gmail groups on
> your system simply have names like "INBOX" or "[Gmail]/Important", and
> not names like "nnimap+imap.gmail.com:INBOX".  So that's why your
> regexes went astray.

Ok - that is very useful information and it solves one more problem I
had - so brilliant info - Thanks!

>
> `gnus-move-split-methods' and `gnus-split-methods' and similar such
> rules in Gnus are applied such that more specific rules can override
> more general ones.  If you are primarily using Gnus as a Gmail client,
> it might make a lot of sense to have the most general rule direct any
> re-filed message to the Gmail archive, and then make exceptions to this
> later on.  So, perhaps try this:
>
> (setq gnus-move-split-methods
>       '((".*" "[Gmail]/All Mail")))

Great - looks perfect. That's what I am using and it works like a charm.

Thanks a lot,

Rainer

>
> Good luck!
> Best,
> Will
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