From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/11717 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Giorgos Keramidas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: What's a killed article ? Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 04:30:25 +0200 Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source Message-ID: <87k5a03l8e.fsf@kobe.laptop> References: <878wqx82hp.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <87prk74tx9.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> <86ej0mldi7.fsf@lifelogs.com> <864p1ek6up.fsf@lifelogs.com> <877i6a7da1.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1229395353 24360 80.91.229.12 (16 Dec 2008 02:42:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 02:42:33 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 16 03:43:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LCPuK-0008Vy-T0 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:43:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46315 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LCPt8-0006Ov-UD for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2008 21:42:22 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news.banetele.no!dotsrc.org!filter.dotsrc.org!news.dotsrc.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:VCAB5io1/KC/oS62rG9hM2I7Lb4= Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 77.49.122.59 Original-X-Trace: news.sunsite.dk DXC=DLm?HQo9d_TlW2_Qa?Yk]^YSB=nbEKnk[jL0kO3l6od^L^MjWbH?lJH1Tkj\; 0EVH0noc9UXd<[a6CNLZW Original-X-Complaints-To: staff@sunsite.dk Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:81974 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:11717 Archived-At: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:21:43 +0100, Francis Moreau wrote: > Giorgos Keramidas writes: >> On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:46:22 -0600, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> new user when you are already an experienced developer. On the other >> hand, if you *are* a newbie it costs nothing at all :-) > > Well, it costed me way too much time to get the basic usage of Gnus > I've. Hi Francis, The full quote was: It takes a lot of empathy and practice to ``get into the shoes'' of a new user when you are already an experienced developer. On the other hand, if you *are* a newbie it costs nothing at all :-) I'm sorry if this wasn't very clear. What I meant is that `newbies' are often the best person to ask about documentation improvements. They do not need to spend any time or effort to get into the `newbie mindset', because they are already there. Experienced users tend to underestimate the effect of what they already know to the way they read documentation. > IMHO, a lots of people are likely to be discouraged when trying to use > gnus for the first time. That's true. Now is the perfect time to help with Gnus documentation if you want. You still have the memories of being a new user, they are still quite `fresh', and they stand a very good chance of being exactly the same questions that another new user will have in a week or a month! Do you keep an archive of your outgoing posts? Maybe one way to help would be to go through the questions you have posted here, and try to extract the things that seemed difficult or confusing. Then, we can try to write some of these on the EmacsWiki. If the collection of new user questions seems to grow in the Wiki, it will be a nice project to look for ways to integrate these into the Gnus manual.