Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

Hi,

I am using built-in gnus 5.13 with emacs 24.5

There are two nntp servers from which I want to fetch news. I have them
in my gnus.el in the following manner.
    
    (setq gnus-select-method
          '(nntp "gmane"
    	     (nntp-address "news.gmane.org")
    	     ))
    
    (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods
    	     '(nntp "narad"
    		    (nntp-address "narad.iitk.ac.in")
    		    )
    	     )

    ;; More imap methods as secondary sources

When I press `A A' in the *Group* buffer, I see all the lists by gmane,
and all the imap folders. But I cant see the lists by the narad
server. Though emacs asks for authentication (user-pass) on gnus
startup.

How can i fetch news from an nntp server added as secondary source to
gnus?

r

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[Adam Sjøgren]

B.V. writes:

> How can i fetch news from an nntp server added as secondary source to
> gnus?

What happens if you in the *Group* buffer press "^" to get to the
*Server* buffer - does it contain the new nntp server?

If you type RET with point in the new nntp server, you should be able to
subscribe to newsgroups on it (using "u"), and they should show up in
the *Group* buffer afterwards.

Exit with "q".


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:
>
> What happens if you in the *Group* buffer press "^" to get to the
> *Server* buffer - does it contain the new nntp server?

Yes the nntp server is listed in the server buffer.

>
> If you type RET with point in the new nntp server, you should be able to
> subscribe to newsgroups on it (using "u"), and they should show up in
> the *Group* buffer afterwards.

However, there are no newsgroups that show up there!
Any suggestions?

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[Adam Sjøgren]

B.V. writes:

> Yes the nntp server is listed in the server buffer.

Ok, that's a start :-)

> However, there are no newsgroups that show up there!
> Any suggestions?

Maybe authentication fails, and the news-server doesn't want to serve
you any groups?

Wild guess...


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> B.V. writes:
>
>> Yes the nntp server is listed in the server buffer.
>
> Ok, that's a start :-)
>
Yeah... :) That's true; though I knew it happened.

>> However, there are no newsgroups that show up there!
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Maybe authentication fails, and the news-server doesn't want to serve
> you any groups?
>
> Wild guess...
>
Well, I hardcoded the authentication in the dot-authinfo.
And, it is still the same result. No progress!

Is there a way to enable detailed logs or something like that?

>
>   Best regards,
>
>     Adam

Thanks,
r
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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

Hi,

>>
> Well, I hardcoded the authentication in the dot-authinfo.
> And, it is still the same result. No progress!
>
I started `emacs -Q' `M-x gnus' and `^'
Then `M-x gnus-server-add-server' followed by
`nntp RET <server-host-name> RET'
The server is listed and marked open. However, there are no newsgroups
shown.

Is there a way to enable detailed logs or something like that?

Thanks,
r
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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[Adam Sjøgren]

B.V. writes:

> I started `emacs -Q' `M-x gnus' and `^'
> Then `M-x gnus-server-add-server' followed by
> `nntp RET <server-host-name> RET'
> The server is listed and marked open. However, there are no newsgroups
> shown.

It is unclear to me where you look for the list of newsgroups. You press
RET on the server in *Server* buffer, right?

> Is there a way to enable detailed logs or something like that?

There is:

,----[ C-h v nntp-record-commands RET ]
| nntp-record-commands is a variable defined in `nntp.el'.
| Its value is nil
| 
| Documentation:
| *If non-nil, nntp will record all commands in the "*nntp-log*" buffer.
|
`----

ngrep(8) is also good for this kind of debugging (if you're using an
unencrypted connection to the nntp server).


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

Hi,

asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes:

> It is unclear to me where you look for the list of newsgroups. You press
> RET on the server in *Server* buffer, right?

I was looking into the `Gnus: *Gnus Browse Server* {nntp:narad}'
buffer. And I had cross-checked with the gmane nntp newsgroups list, to
be sure I was right.


> ,----[ C-h v nntp-record-commands RET ]
> | nntp-record-commands is a variable defined in `nntp.el'.
> | Its value is nil
> | 
> | Documentation:
> | *If non-nil, nntp will record all commands in the "*nntp-log*" buffer.
> |
> `----
>
The nntp-log says:
    
    20151222T221526.723 narad.iitk.ac.in MODE READER
    20151222T221546.845 narad.iitk.ac.in LIST
    20151222T221546.855 narad.iitk.ac.in AUTHINFO USER ****
    20151222T221546.860 narad.iitk.ac.in AUTHINFO PASS ****
    20151222T221546.874 narad.iitk.ac.in LIST
    
But still there is no newsgroup in the list

> ngrep(8) is also good for this kind of debugging (if you're using an
> unencrypted connection to the nntp server).
>
This seems to be the most crucial tool suggested into the thread. The
ngrep during server close and open showed the following:

  200 narad InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 ready (no posting)..

Does it mean that the nntp server is not sending any newsgroups in the
list?

Thanks,
r
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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[Adam Sjøgren]

B.V. writes:

> I was looking into the `Gnus: *Gnus Browse Server* {nntp:narad}'
> buffer. And I had cross-checked with the gmane nntp newsgroups list, to
> be sure I was right.

Ok, that sounds right.

> The nntp-log says:
>     
>     20151222T221526.723 narad.iitk.ac.in MODE READER
>     20151222T221546.845 narad.iitk.ac.in LIST
>     20151222T221546.855 narad.iitk.ac.in AUTHINFO USER ****
>     20151222T221546.860 narad.iitk.ac.in AUTHINFO PASS ****
>     20151222T221546.874 narad.iitk.ac.in LIST
>     
> But still there is no newsgroup in the list

The replies would be more interesting to see...

>   200 narad InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.5.3 ready (no posting)..
>
> Does it mean that the nntp server is not sending any newsgroups in the
> list?

Nah, it just says "Hello I'm INN, and you can't post yet", probably
either because MODE READER hasn't been issued yet, or because you
haven't authenticated yet at this point.

What does ngrep show the server returning after the second LIST command
is issued by Gnus? If it returns an empty list, that is why Gnus doesn't
show any groups.

("ngrep -Wbyline port nntp" can be a useful set of command line options
to use.)


  Best regards,

    Adam

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Re: Unable to see nntp lists when added to secondary sources

[B.V. Raghav]

Hi

The problem was somewhere with the server. I had written to the admin
and the problem vanished.

So long and thanks for all the fish.
r
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