Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

> I have a certain IMAP folder where I always have to do something like
> C-u RET 338 RET (a lower number seems to not work, though it changes
> some times), in order to show new emails.

Sounds like your nnimap groups aren't updating.  Does `M-g' on the group
do anything useful?

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>> I have a certain IMAP folder where I always have to do something like
>> C-u RET 338 RET (a lower number seems to not work, though it changes
>> some times), in order to show new emails.
>
> Sounds like your nnimap groups aren't updating.  Does `M-g' on the group
> do anything useful?

From *Group*, it changed from no unread to 332 unread. Entering the
group with plain RET it asked me how many to fetch, 364 by default, then
showed me 3 unread (plus some ticked's). Exiting the group, *Group*
shows 3 unread, and does so whenever I enter/exit the group now. (I can
get it back to 332 by doing M-g again, then on RET I get asked about 364
and am shown 3 unread.)

I just tried M-g on all my other (10 or so) nnimap groups, all on the
same dovecot server, all from the same fastmail account, no change. It's
only the one group.

I guess I can advise `g' to do `M-g' on the misbehaving group …

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>>
>>> I have a certain IMAP folder where I always have to do something like
>>> C-u RET 338 RET (a lower number seems to not work, though it changes
>>> some times), in order to show new emails.
>>
>> Sounds like your nnimap groups aren't updating.  Does `M-g' on the group
>> do anything useful?
>
> From *Group*, it changed from no unread to 332 unread. Entering the
> group with plain RET it asked me how many to fetch, 364 by default, then
> showed me 3 unread (plus some ticked's). Exiting the group, *Group*
> shows 3 unread, and does so whenever I enter/exit the group now. (I can
> get it back to 332 by doing M-g again, then on RET I get asked about 364
> and am shown 3 unread.)

After reading those three, the two other numbers decreased to 329 and
361, respectively. `C-u RET' still shows 2284 as max (while answering
with 999999 RET gives me a buffer with 1725 lines). Very strange.

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

>>From *Group*, it changed from no unread to 332 unread. Entering the
> group with plain RET it asked me how many to fetch, 364 by default, then
> showed me 3 unread (plus some ticked's). Exiting the group, *Group*
> shows 3 unread, and does so whenever I enter/exit the group now. (I can
> get it back to 332 by doing M-g again, then on RET I get asked about 364
> and am shown 3 unread.)

Could it be an Agent issue?  Is the group covered by the Agent?  If so,
try deleting the Agent data and see whether that helps...

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>>>From *Group*, it changed from no unread to 332 unread. Entering the
>> group with plain RET it asked me how many to fetch, 364 by default, then
>> showed me 3 unread (plus some ticked's). Exiting the group, *Group*
>> shows 3 unread, and does so whenever I enter/exit the group now. (I can
>> get it back to 332 by doing M-g again, then on RET I get asked about 364
>> and am shown 3 unread.)
>
> Could it be an Agent issue?  Is the group covered by the Agent?  If so,
> try deleting the Agent data and see whether that helps...

I have had (setq gnus-agent nil) for some time now – could there still
be left-over agent stuff lingering around from when it was t? (I see
gnus-agent-article-alist is also nil.)

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

> I have had (setq gnus-agent nil) for some time now – could there still
> be left-over agent stuff lingering around from when it was t? (I see
> gnus-agent-article-alist is also nil.)

Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>> I have had (setq gnus-agent nil) for some time now – could there still
>> be left-over agent stuff lingering around from when it was t? (I see
>> gnus-agent-article-alist is also nil.)
>
> Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
> possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
> directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.

No effect :( 

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

>> Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
>> possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
>> directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.
>
> No effect :( 

What's the output of `G E' on the group?

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>>> Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
>>> possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
>>> directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.
>>
>> No effect :( 
>
> What's the output of `G E' on the group?

http://dpaste.com/861911/plain/

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>>
>>>> Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
>>>> possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
>>>> directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.
>>>
>>> No effect :( 
>>
>> What's the output of `G E' on the group?
>
> http://dpaste.com/861911/plain/

I've been rather slow in responding, so this page is now empty.

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:
>>
>>> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>>>
>>>>> Setting `gnus-agent' to nil should disable all Agent stuff, but it's
>>>>> possible that there's a bug in that area.  Try moving the ~/News/agent
>>>>> directory out of the way, if you have that directory and restart.
>>>>
>>>> No effect :( 
>>>
>>> What's the output of `G E' on the group?
>>
>> http://dpaste.com/861911/plain/
>
> I've been rather slow in responding, so this page is now empty.

Trying the fancy C-c M-m instead then … at the moment, the strange group
looks like this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
("handel"
 (3 . 2485)
 ((1 . 2327)
  (2329 . 2337))
 ((forward 1411
	   (1453 . 1454)
	   1844 1879 2057 2205)
  (dormant 1686 2061)
  (reply 882 1059 1091 1180 1349 1360 1368
	 (1453 . 1454)
	 1546 1682 1692 1726 1731 1844 1852 1955 2070 2072 2145 2155 2204 2246 2249)
  (tick 851 853 1107 1183 1222 1287
	(1290 . 1291)
	(1295 . 1297)
	1338 1395 1425 1442 1466 1499 1581 1650 1668 1706 1723 1754 1777 1797 1800 2168 2172 2186 2189 2205 2226 2330)
  (seen
   (1 . 581)
   (583 . 1396)
   (1398 . 1404)
   (1406 . 1413)
   (1415 . 1419)
   (1421 . 1437)
   (1439 . 1466)
   (1468 . 1475)
   (1477 . 1496)
   (1498 . 1505)
   (1507 . 1513)
   1515
   (1518 . 1519)
   1521
   (1524 . 1526)
   (1529 . 1549)
   (1551 . 1555)
   (1557 . 1561)
   (1563 . 1569)
   (1574 . 1576)
   1579 1581
   (1583 . 1599)
   (1601 . 1605)
   (1611 . 1614)
   (1620 . 1628)
   (1631 . 1672)
   (1674 . 1683)
   (1685 . 1693)
   (1696 . 1700)
   1702
   (1704 . 1711)
   1713
   (1717 . 1735)
   (1737 . 1751)
   (1754 . 1782)
   (1784 . 1809)
   (1811 . 1815)
   (1817 . 1820)
   (1822 . 1844)
   (1849 . 1855)
   (1857 . 1858)
   (1862 . 1868)
   (1870 . 1876)
   (1878 . 1904)
   (1906 . 1907)
   1911 1918
   (1923 . 1924)
   1928 1930
   (1934 . 2001)
   (2003 . 2075)
   (2077 . 2260)
   (2262 . 2299)
   (2301 . 2337)))
 nil
 ((modseq . "1156")
  (uidvalidity . "1329730054")
  (active 1 . 2337)
  (permanent-flags %Answered %Flagged %Deleted %Seen %Draft gnus-forward gnus-expire gnus-dormant %*)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---



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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

> ("handel"
>  (3 . 2485)
>  ((1 . 2327)
>   (2329 . 2337))

[...]

>  ((modseq . "1156")
>   (uidvalidity . "1329730054")
>   (active 1 . 2337)

So this says that the highest article number on the IMAP server is 2337,
and you have all articles except 2328 marked as read.  Is article 2337
(for instance) actually unread?

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:
>
>> ("handel"
>>  (3 . 2485)
>>  ((1 . 2327)
>>   (2329 . 2337))
>
> [...]
>
>>  ((modseq . "1156")
>>   (uidvalidity . "1329730054")
>>   (active 1 . 2337)
>
> So this says that the highest article number on the IMAP server is 2337,
> and you have all articles except 2328 marked as read.  Is article 2337
> (for instance) actually unread?

    j 2337 RET

gives

    No such article (may have expired or been canceled)

The highest article number actually seems to be 2338 (article 2338 does
exist).

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Kevin Brubeck Unhammer <unhammer@fsfe.org> writes:

>>> ("handel"
>>>  (3 . 2485)
>>>  ((1 . 2327)
>>>   (2329 . 2337))
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>  ((modseq . "1156")
>>>   (uidvalidity . "1329730054")
>>>   (active 1 . 2337)
>>
>> So this says that the highest article number on the IMAP server is 2337,
>> and you have all articles except 2328 marked as read.  Is article 2337
>> (for instance) actually unread?
>
>     j 2337 RET
>
> gives
>
>     No such article (may have expired or been canceled)

So that's OK, then.  

> The highest article number actually seems to be 2338 (article 2338 does
> exist).

Does Gnus say that the highest `active' number is still 2337?

I guess my question is: What is this unread mail that `C-u RET' reveals?

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Re: certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

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Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> Does Gnus say that the highest `active' number is still 2337?
>
> I guess my question is: What is this unread mail that `C-u RET' reveals?

Perhaps I changed something in G E because now the bug seems to be gone.
I'll post more if it returns … thanks anyway :-) 

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certain mail group needs "C-u RET" to show new unread mail

[Kevin Brubeck Unhammer]

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Hi,

I have a certain IMAP folder where I always have to do something like
C-u RET 338 RET (a lower number seems to not work, though it changes
some times), in order to show new emails. Otherwise, it just shows old
ticked ones. When I'm just in *Group*, it always seems there are no
emails in that folder. I doing C-k on the group and deleting any files
with the group name in ~/{News,Mail}, but it didn't help. Anyone have a
clue what to do? Also, the max number shown after C-u RET is always
2284, has been for as long as I can remember.

I'm using gnus v5.13, emacs 24.2.1, dovecot 2.1.10, offlineimap 6.5.4.
When opening the IMAP folder directly with K-9 mail on Android or the
web interface (fastmail), there doesn't seem to be a problem.

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