From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/17353 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: alt-tab? really? you're joking... Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:31 +0100 Message-ID: <87ppa54wtk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8xxfvb2tath.fsf@village.keycorner.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1422008829 24732 80.91.229.3 (23 Jan 2015 10:27:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:27:09 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 23 11:26:57 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbS5-0006un-H3 for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58046 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbS4-0007y6-UO for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:26:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbRz-0007y0-Pj for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:26:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbRv-0001CD-M5 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:26:51 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33336) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbRv-0001C7-G1 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 05:26:47 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YEbRr-0006jz-2b for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:43 +0100 Original-Received: from 2.160.76.157 ([2.160.76.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:43 +0100 Original-Received: from tsdh by 2.160.76.157 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:26:43 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 2.160.76.157 User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:qKnP/d7S6251r3sBdlKfIq3y6Os= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:17353 Archived-At: Hikaru Ichijyo writes: > It seems that the key binding for name completion is M-TAB. That's > just...amazing. Really. The fact that Emacs and BBDB come from a > UNIX-centric world doesn't begin to explain that, since MS-Windows is > not the only platform where that's used for windows switching. M-TAB is used for completion in dozens other places in emacs. > What's the typical way Gnus users get around this these days? You have 3 options: a) Use `ESC TAB' instead of `M-TAB'. b) Use some other key as Meta, e.g., the windows key commonly found on keyboards. c) Use another key for window manager window handling. I go with option c) and use the windows key for that. The reason is that Alt is better to type and I use emacs keys much more often than window manager shortcuts. > Really...even in the 1990's, in the days of HPUX/CDE workstations and > Motif X11 toolkits...Alt-Tab? Really? When was that ever a good idea > for an application key binding? Not sure, but I guess emacs used M-TAB for completion purposes even before that. Bye, Tassilo