* Old messages missing on the present newsgroup @ 2006-04-02 9:27 Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-02 15:24 ` David Z Maze 2006-04-03 8:28 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Alan_C 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-02 9:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi. Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. How come? For example, the whole thread 'nntp (bla bla) open error', started on the 12 september 2004, is visible at: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 , and also at: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html , whereas I can't fetch it using gnus, neither at 'nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.gnus.user' nor at 'nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus'. Other threads are only partially accessible via nntp. Any thought/suggestion? Maybe there are some other nntp servers to read the present newsgroup, besides news.gmane.org and news.gnus.org? Thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-02 9:27 Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-02 15:24 ` David Z Maze 2006-04-02 15:45 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 8:28 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Alan_C 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: David Z Maze @ 2006-04-02 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup > are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via > nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface > and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. > How come? Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the requirements become much more reasonable. I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. > Maybe there are some other nntp servers to read the present newsgroup, > besides news.gmane.org and news.gnus.org? gnu.emacs.gnus is "a normal Usenet group" (in a way that gmane groups generally aren't) and so any Usenet server that carries the gnu.* hierarchy would have it. (I'm reading on news.mit.edu, but you generally need to be inside MIT's network to use it.) --dzm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-02 15:24 ` David Z Maze @ 2006-04-02 15:45 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 16:43 ` Rodolfo Medina 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-02 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) David Z Maze <dmaze@mit.edu> writes: > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > >> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. >> How come? > > Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth > consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep > around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and > expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and > bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google > Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the > requirements become much more reasonable. > > I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can > probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical > purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. > >> Maybe there are some other nntp servers to read the present newsgroup, >> besides news.gmane.org and news.gnus.org? > > gnu.emacs.gnus is "a normal Usenet group" (in a way that gmane groups > generally aren't) and so any Usenet server that carries the gnu.* > hierarchy would have it. (I'm reading on news.mit.edu, but you > generally need to be inside MIT's network to use it.) Take a look at the group archive: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/msg/45694c47fa0b026a subject: backfill of usenet postings The post quotes: info "(gnus)Finding the Parent" -- [pl2en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@priv.onet.pl : anfi@xl.wp.pl http://anfi.homeunix.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-02 15:45 ` Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-03 16:43 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-03 17:57 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-03 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >>> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >>> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >>> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >>> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. >>> How come? David Z Maze <dmaze@mit.edu> writes: >> Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth >> consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep >> around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and >> expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and >> bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google >> Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the >> requirements become much more reasonable. I just want to fetch via gnus some old articles I posted some time ago, now that I've just really started using Gnus. David: >> I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can >> probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical >> purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes: > Take a look at the group archive: > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/msg/45694c47fa0b026a > subject: backfill of usenet postings > > The post quotes: > info "(gnus)Finding the Parent" Thanks for your replies. Andrzej, your indication seems very interesting: I put in my ~/.gnus.el the stuff reported in the info: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) , then in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer I did 'M-^' and entered the Message-ID I was looking for; I waited for a while for gnus to search into google, then the message: Opening nnweb server on google...done Loading url-auth...done Contacting host: www.google.com:80 Loading url-cache...done Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 Trying again (2)... Contacting host: www.google.com:80 Requested article not found Generating summary...done Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com> No such article (may have expired or been canceled) Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 . Should I give it up and accept the defeat? But I insist that the article is present in Google archives, at: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 , and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html , so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) be a way to fetch it via gnus. Other toughts/suggestions? Cheers, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-03 16:43 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-03 17:57 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 21:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-04 10:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-03 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > [...] > Andrzej, your indication seems very interesting: > I put in my ~/.gnus.el the stuff reported in the info: > > > (setq gnus-refer-article-method > '(current > (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) > > > , then in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer I did 'M-^' > and entered the Message-ID I was looking for; I waited for a while for > gnus to search into google, then the message: > > > > Opening nnweb server on google...done > Loading url-auth...done > Contacting host: www.google.com:80 > Loading url-cache...done > Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 > Trying again (2)... > Contacting host: www.google.com:80 > Requested article not found > Generating summary...done > Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com> > No such article (may have expired or been canceled) > Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 > > > . Should I give it up and accept the defeat? > But I insist that the article is present in Google archives, at: > > http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 > > , and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html > > , so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) > be a way to fetch it via gnus. > Other toughts/suggestions? One source suggest that google may be picky about browser: http://my.gnus.org/node/95?PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40&menus_expanded%5B1%5D=1&PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40 [it did not help] Another source states the method may to "survive" changes in google replies format: http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_189.html -- [pl2en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@priv.onet.pl : anfi@xl.wp.pl http://anfi.homeunix.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-03 17:57 ` Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-03 21:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-04 15:00 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-04 10:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-03 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >>> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >>> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >>> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >>> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. > >> [...] the article is present in Google archives, at: >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 >> >> , and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here: >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html >> >> , so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) >> be a way to fetch it via gnus. Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes: > One source suggest that google may be picky about browser: > http://my.gnus.org/node/95?PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40&menus_expanded%5B1%5D=1&PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40 > [it did not help] > > Another source states the method may to "survive" changes in google > replies format: > http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_189.html Thanks, Andrzej: following the second source indications: in group buffer I did 'G w', chose 'google' as 'searching engine type', entered the desired string and... all five the articles of the thread were found!, but they're all blank... :( Other suggestions welcome. Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-03 21:47 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-04 15:00 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-04 15:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > >>>> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >>>> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >>>> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >>>> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. >> >>> [...] the article is present in Google archives, at: >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/browse_thread/thread/6bb69dcdf1548e17/10c9d5f223a33d19?q=medina&rnum=4#10c9d5f223a33d19 >>> >>> , and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list, here: >>> >>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-gnus-english/2004-09/msg00114.html >>> >>> , so it *can't* be really expired or canceled, and there *must* (or should) >>> be a way to fetch it via gnus. > > Andrzej Adam Filip <anfi@priv.onet.pl> writes: >> One source suggest that google may be picky about browser: >> http://my.gnus.org/node/95?PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40&menus_expanded%5B1%5D=1&PHPSESSID=dae6988877b26346b80f5fedd707cf40 >> [it did not help] >> >> Another source states the method may to "survive" changes in google >> replies format: >> http://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_189.html > > > > Thanks, Andrzej: > following the second source indications: in group buffer I did 'G w', > chose 'google' as 'searching engine type', entered the desired string and... > all five the articles of the thread were found!, but they're all blank... :( > > Other suggestions welcome. > Rodolfo Most likely google has changed "output format" (may be search url too). I have not seen the implementation, I do not feel competent to modify it. -- [pl2en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@priv.onet.pl : anfi@xl.wp.pl http://anfi.homeunix.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) 2006-04-03 17:57 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 21:47 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-04 10:54 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-04 19:30 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.51.1144180523.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-04 10:54 UTC (permalink / raw) In Gnus Manual there is: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The `nnweb' back end allows an easy interface to the mighty search engine. You create an `nnweb' group, enter a search pattern, and then enter the group and read the articles like you would any normal group. The `G w' command in the group buffer (*note Foreign Groups::) will do this in an easy-to-use fashion. [...] You must have the `url' and `W3' package or those alternatives (try `customize-group' on the `mm-url' variable group) installed to be able to use `nnweb'. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, but the message gnus finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) are all completely blank. Any help? Thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-04 10:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-04 19:30 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-04 22:00 ` Andreas Seltenreich [not found] ` <mailman.51.1144180523.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-04 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, but the message gnus > finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) are all completely > blank. Here, too. Google has changed its format, and it's not documented anywhere. If you use groups.google.com's search in a browser you can see the new search-string, but there's no way to find out how to tell google to return the found article as plain-text, so that gnus can display it. Maybe one could work arround this by fetching the result's html page and stripping the html-tags, but that would be really hard work... It's likely that there's no API because google doesn't want that people use it that way. People searching for articles at google via their newsreaders cannot see the banners and ads... Nevertheless, I've sent a mail to google and asked if usage of groups.google.com in own applications is allowed, and if yes, where I can read how it works. Regards, Tassilo -- A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-04 19:30 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-04 22:00 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-04 23:19 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.63.1144192791.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-04 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn schrob: > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > >> I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, but the message gnus >> finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) are all completely >> blank. > > Here, too. Google has changed its format, and it's not documented > anywhere. If you use groups.google.com's search in a browser you can see > the new search-string, but there's no way to find out how to tell google > to return the found article as plain-text, so that gnus can display it. It should work again for both google and gmane in the upcoming releases. The current version of No Gnus from CVS works for me. Although, there might still be some value/version combination of mm-url-program which wasn't tested yet. regards, andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-04 22:00 ` Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-04 23:19 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-05 0:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich [not found] ` <mailman.63.1144192791.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-04 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: Hi Andreas, > It should work again for both google and gmane in the upcoming > releases. The current version of No Gnus from CVS works for > me. Although, there might still be some value/version combination of > mm-url-program which wasn't tested yet. I've seen your patch at <871wwdb5ew.fsf@gate450.dyndns.org> and couldn't believe this was the fix for this problem, because the urls defined in nnweb.el are completely different than the urls you see when searching at groups.google.com in a browser. But maybe there are multiple possibilities. I updated my NoGnus CVS copy, but Gnus still fetches only empty messages. To get a little more concrete: I tried fetching the message <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> by pressing RET on this message-id. *Messages* says: ,----[ *Messages* ] | Opening nnweb server on google...done | No matching articles | No such article (may have expired or been canceled) `---- Now I browse groups.google.com and enter the message-id in the search field, and google finds the article. The search-string visible in my browser's address bar is http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+<escaped-message-id> If I type in the url defined in nnweb.el (id) into my browser and replace "%s" with the (escaped) message-id, the result page states: "The requested message, <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com>, could not be found." Here are some infos about my system. With wget (1.10.2) it does not work. ,----[ C-h v mm-url-program RET ] | mm-url-program is a variable defined in `mm-url.el'. | Its value is wget | | Documentation: | The url grab program. | Likely values are `wget', `w3m', `lynx' and `curl'. `---- I tested this, too. (Doesn't work, w3m-0.5.1, emacs-w3m-1.4.4) ,----[ C-h v mm-url-program RET ] | mm-url-program is a variable defined in `mm-url.el'. | Its value is "w3m" `---- This doesn't work, too. (curl-7.15.3) ,----[ C-h v mm-url-program RET ] | mm-url-program is a variable defined in `mm-url.el'. | Its value is "curl" `---- And this last one fetches only empty articles, too. (lynx-2.8.5) ,----[ C-h v mm-url-program RET ] | mm-url-program is a variable defined in `mm-url.el'. | Its value is "lynx" `---- ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. | Its value is shown below. | | Value: | (current | (nntp "newshost.uni-koblenz.de") | (nntp "news.gmane.org") | (nnweb "gmane" | (nnweb-type gmane)) | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- Can I provide any additional infos? I would volunteer to spend some time with testing to get this fixed (before the release, if possible). Kind regards, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-04 23:19 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-05 0:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 4:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 0:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn schrob: > Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: > >> It should work again for both google and gmane in the upcoming >> releases. The current version of No Gnus from CVS works for >> me. Although, there might still be some value/version combination of >> mm-url-program which wasn't tested yet. > > I've seen your patch at <871wwdb5ew.fsf@gate450.dyndns.org> and couldn't > believe this was the fix for this problem Right, it isn't, but that was not the only patch I sent concerning nnweb :-). > I updated my NoGnus CVS copy, but Gnus still fetches only empty > messages. > > To get a little more concrete: I tried fetching the message > > <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> > > by pressing RET on this message-id. *Messages* says: > > ,----[ *Messages* ] > | Opening nnweb server on google...done > | No matching articles > | No such article (may have expired or been canceled) > `---- Hmm, right, I'm getting the same when mm-url-use-external is nil. The cause seems to be that there now are two redirects (302 Found). Too bad mm-url doesn't support redirects when doing internal fetching. I don't see how one can avoid all redirects, since the last one turns the message-id into some internal id :-(. So, referring articles by message-id is basically broken when mm-url-use-external is nil, until it is taught how to deal with redirects. > Now I browse groups.google.com and enter the message-id in the search > field, and google finds the article. The search-string visible in my > browser's address bar is > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+<escaped-message-id> > > If I type in the url defined in nnweb.el (id) into my browser and > replace "%s" with the (escaped) message-id, the result page states: > > "The requested message, > <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com>, could not be found." Try again without the angle brackets :-). > Here are some infos about my system. > > With wget (1.10.2) it does not work. > > ,----[ C-h v mm-url-program RET ] > | mm-url-program is a variable defined in `mm-url.el'. > | Its value is wget > | > | Documentation: > | The url grab program. > | Likely values are `wget', `w3m', `lynx' and `curl'. > `---- > > I tested this, too. (Doesn't work, w3m-0.5.1, emacs-w3m-1.4.4) Did you set mm-url-use-external to t when testing? If you did to no avail, then does the following request work? (works for me) --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- (let ((url "http://www.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com&hl=en&dmode=source") (mm-url-use-external t) (mm-url-program 'wget)) (mm-url-insert url t)) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > Can I provide any additional infos? I would volunteer to spend some time > with testing to get this fixed (before the release, if possible). Hmm, do web groups work for you (G w in the Group Buffer)? They work for me for both, internal and external fetching. Thanks for the feedback! Andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 0:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 4:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 8:12 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.85.1144224797.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-05 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn 1 sibling, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 4:22 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1495 bytes --] Andreas Seltenreich schrob: > Tassilo Horn schrob: > >> I updated my NoGnus CVS copy, but Gnus still fetches only empty >> messages. >> >> To get a little more concrete: I tried fetching the message >> >> <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> >> >> by pressing RET on this message-id. *Messages* says: >> >> ,----[ *Messages* ] >> | Opening nnweb server on google...done >> | No matching articles >> | No such article (may have expired or been canceled) >> `---- > > Hmm, right, I'm getting the same when mm-url-use-external is nil. The > cause seems to be that there now are two redirects (302 Found). Too > bad mm-url doesn't support redirects when doing internal fetching. > > I don't see how one can avoid all redirects, since the last one turns > the message-id into some internal id :-(. So, referring articles by > message-id is basically broken when mm-url-use-external is nil, until > it is taught how to deal with redirects. Update: url-http.el apparently does support redirects, but it seems to get confused by the "Connection: close" extra header mm-url is feeding to it. I suspect this is a bug in url-http.el, since it most probably would also not work when connection keep-alive is disabled or not supported on the server side. Referring articles via nnweb.el works for me with mm-url-use-external set to nil with the attached patch. I don't know what the motivation was for disabling keep-alive in mm-url.el, so the patch might be a bad idea... regards, andreas [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #2: mm-url.patch --] [-- Type: text/x-patch, Size: 604 bytes --] Index: mm-url.el =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/cvsroot/gnus/lisp/mm-url.el,v retrieving revision 7.13 diff -c -r7.13 mm-url.el *** mm-url.el 20 Jan 2006 08:35:06 -0000 7.13 --- mm-url.el 5 Apr 2006 04:01:04 -0000 *************** *** 299,305 **** (list url (buffer-size))) (mm-url-load-url) (let ((name buffer-file-name) - (url-request-extra-headers (list (cons "Connection" "Close"))) (url-package-name (or mm-url-package-name url-package-name)) (url-package-version (or mm-url-package-version --- 299,304 ---- [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 161 bytes --] _______________________________________________ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 4:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 8:12 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.85.1144224797.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-05 8:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: Hi Andreas, >> Hmm, right, I'm getting the same when mm-url-use-external is nil. The >> cause seems to be that there now are two redirects (302 Found). Too >> bad mm-url doesn't support redirects when doing internal fetching. >> >> [snip] > > Update: url-http.el apparently does support redirects, but it seems to > get confused by the "Connection: close" extra header mm-url is feeding > to it. I suspect this is a bug in url-http.el, since it most probably > would also not work when connection keep-alive is disabled or not > supported on the server side. > > Referring articles via nnweb.el works for me with mm-url-use-external > set to nil with the attached patch. I don't know what the motivation > was for disabling keep-alive in mm-url.el, so the patch might be a bad > idea... I applied you patch, but here nothing changed: * Web Groups (G w) work with mm-url-use-external set to nil or t. * RET on message-ids still fetches empty articles with mm-url-use-external set to t or nil. Regards, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.85.1144224797.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-05 23:42 ` Rodolfo Medina 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-05 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: > In Gnus Manual there is: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The `nnweb' back end allows an easy interface to the mighty search > engine. You create an `nnweb' group, enter a search pattern, and then > enter the group and read the articles like you would any normal group. > The `G w' command in the group buffer (*note Foreign Groups::) will do > this in an easy-to-use fashion. > > [...] > > You must have the `url' and `W3' package or those alternatives (try > `customize-group' on the `mm-url' variable group) installed to be able > to use `nnweb'. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, > but the message gnus finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) > are all completely blank. Tassilo wrote: > Ok, now to summarize: > > * Web groups work (with internal and external fetching) > > * RET on message-id still fetches empty messages with > mm-url-use-external set to t. `G w google <mid>' with the same > message-id finds the correct article. Hi, Tassilo, do you mean that the problem is fixed now? If so, could you provide a plain explanation of how to work it out? Thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 0:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 4:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-05 23:40 ` Andreas Seltenreich 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-05 8:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: Hi Andreas, >> If I type in the url defined in nnweb.el (id) into my browser and >> replace "%s" with the (escaped) message-id, the result page states: >> >> "The requested message, >> <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com>, could not be found." > > Try again without the angle brackets :-). As I said, I replaced the angle brackets and the @ with their URL escape sequences. > Did you set mm-url-use-external to t when testing? No, I didn't know I have to do that. > If you did to no avail, then does the following request work? (works > for me) > > [snip] Yes, works for me as well. > Hmm, do web groups work for you (G w in the Group Buffer)? They work > for me for both, internal and external fetching. Yes, both work. Maybe it was a partly user error yesterday. I set mm-url-program to "foo" (string) but it has to be 'foo. Ok, now to summarize: * Web groups work (with internal and external fetching) * RET on message-id still fetches empty messages with mm-url-use-external set to t. `G w google <mid>' with the same message-id finds the correct article. Kind regards, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-05 23:40 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-06 9:19 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.117.1144315172.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 23:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn schrob: > Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: > >>> If I type in the url defined in nnweb.el (id) into my browser and >>> replace "%s" with the (escaped) message-id, the result page states: >>> >>> "The requested message, >>> <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com>, could not be found." >> >> Try again without the angle brackets :-). > > As I said, I replaced the angle brackets and the @ with their URL escape > sequences. Sorry if I was unclear. The angle brackets have to be *removed* and not URL encoded in order for the search to work. The brackets in the Message above indicate that they weren't. >> Did you set mm-url-use-external to t when testing? > > No, I didn't know I have to do that. > >> If you did to no avail, then does the following request work? (works >> for me) >> >> [snip] > > Yes, works for me as well. This is a bit baffling, since the current code should produce exactly the same request when referring the id, and mm-url-use-external and mm-url-program are bound to the same values. I'd be desperate enough by now to use tcpdump to see what is actually going through the ether. regards, andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 23:40 ` Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-06 9:19 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 16:04 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.117.1144315172.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 9:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: Hi Andreas, > Sorry if I was unclear. The angle brackets have to be *removed* and > not URL encoded in order for the search to work. The brackets in the > Message above indicate that they weren't. Ok, I removed the brackets and the request works. :-) >>> [snip] >> >> Yes, works for me as well. > > This is a bit baffling, since the current code should produce exactly > the same request when referring the id, and mm-url-use-external and > mm-url-program are bound to the same values. I'd be desperate enough > by now to use tcpdump to see what is actually going through the ether. Hey, the tcpdump-thing was a good idea. When executing your snipped (which worked), the requests go to 64.233.167.99, which is a google server. If I click a message-id, the tcpdump records only packets with destination "sea.gmane.org.nntp", so google never seems to be asked. My config is as follows: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nntp "newshost.uni-koblenz.de") (nntp "news.gmane.org") (nnweb "gmane" (nnweb-type gmane)) (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) That's the way I'd like it to work: First try to lookup the article in the local agent cache, if that fails try the nntp-servers of my university and gmane, and if that fails, too, try to get it from gmane or google. But as I said: When I press RET on this example message-id in this thread, tcpdump records only packets with destination "sea.gmane.org.nntp". As the current thread is in a gmane group, it seems to correspond to the "current" refer method, I'd say. The message-id corresponds to an article on de.comp.hardware.laufwerke.festplatten, so gmane is the wrong partner here. But why doesn't it try to get it at the other alternatives? Kind regards, Tassilo -- 98% of us Americans are hard-working people. It's the other 2% that give us a bad reputation. Then again, we did elect them. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 9:19 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 16:04 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 16:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: Hi again! I think last time I was a littlebit too fast with my answer. The filters on tcpdump were too restrictive and so I missed some things. This time I used ethereal and captured my network device (only TCP packets) when pressing RET on a message-id, which I know I can get from google. ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | Its value is shown below. | | Value: | (current | (nntp "newshost.uni-koblenz.de") | (nntp "news.gmane.org") | (nnweb "gmane" | (nnweb-type gmane)) | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- All servers contacted by this request were: - main.gmane.org [HTTP] - news.uni-koblenz.de [NNTPS] - sea.gmane.org [NNTP] But where's google??? Unfortunately the *Messages* buffer states: ,----[ *Messages* ] | Opening nntp server on newshost.uni-koblenz.de...done | Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org...done | Opening nnweb server on gmane...done | Contacting host: gmane.org:80 | Generating summary...done | Opening nntp server on newshost.uni-koblenz.de...done | Opening nntp server on news.gmane.org...done | Opening nnweb server on google...done | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | No matching articles | No such article (may have expired or been canceled) `---- Weird... So I simplified my `gnus-refer-article-method', so that it only contains current and gmane: ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | Its value is | (current | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- I still get an empty message into my summary buffer, so let's see what *Messages* says: ,----[ *Messages* ] | Contacting host: www.google.com:80 | Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 | Requested article not found | Generating summary...done | Fetched article <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> | No such article (may have expired or been canceled) `---- Wow, that's even more weird. How can it fetch the article, if the article was not found (The m-id shown in *Messages* is the one I clicked on)? And if it fetched the article, why isn't it displayed? Any Ideas? Regards, Tassilo -- A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.117.1144315172.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-06 13:51 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-06 15:08 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.125.1144336133.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-06 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Andreas, Tassilo: thanks indeed for your efforts to solve the problem, but: since the discussion gets involved into technical and difficult matters, I newbie don't even know any more if it is worked out or not... If it is, would you please provide newbie-understandable recipe of what to do? Excuse my ignorance, thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 13:51 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-06 15:08 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 15:53 ` Reiner Steib [not found] ` <mailman.125.1144336133.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > thanks indeed for your efforts to solve the problem, but: since the > discussion gets involved into technical and difficult matters, I > newbie don't even know any more if it is worked out or not... If it > is, would you please provide newbie-understandable recipe of what to > do? Sure. It seems, that nnweb.el works. If you want to search for a message with the message-id <foobar@barfoo.example> at google, go into your *Group* buffer and type: `G w RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' Then a new summary buffer with the found article will open. To search at gmane you could write: `G w gmane RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' BTW: You can search with any search string, not only message-ids. So if you want to search for postings at google which are about blue roses try: `G w RET blue roses RET' My problem is that Gnus doesn't search with all select methods I configured in my `gnus-refer-article-method' when I press RET on a message-id. ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. | Its value is shown below. | | Documentation: | Preferred method for fetching an article by Message-ID. | If you are reading news from the local spool (with nnspool), fetching | articles by Message-ID is painfully slow. By setting this method to an | nntp method, you might get acceptable results. | | The value of this variable must be a valid select method as discussed | in the documentation of `gnus-select-method'. | | It can also be a list of select methods, as well as the special symbol | `current', which means to use the current select method. If it is a | list, Gnus will try all the methods in the list until it finds a | match. | | You can customize this variable. | | Value: | (current | (nntp "newshost.uni-koblenz.de") | (nntp "news.gmane.org") | (nnweb "gmane" | (nnweb-type gmane)) | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- The docs tell me that Gnus will try all select methods until it finds the searched message, but here it seems that Gnus stops after the first (current), and return an empty message if it fails with it. I'm not sure if it's a bug in my configuration or a bug in Gnus, but I'll investigate a bit further. Kind regards, Tassilo -- 98% of us Americans are hard-working people. It's the other 2% that give us a bad reputation. Then again, we did elect them. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 15:08 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 15:53 ` Reiner Steib 2006-04-06 16:45 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.133.1144341940.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-04-06 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Apr 06 2006, Tassilo Horn wrote: > If you want to search for a message with the message-id > <foobar@barfoo.example> at google, go into your *Group* buffer and > type: > > `G w RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' [...] > BTW: You can search with any search string, not only message-ids. Cool, I wasn't aware that it works for MIDs on Google. I think previously you had to type it into the MID field of the advanced search. I used to enter some random group and hit `j MID RET' upto now. > | (nntp "news.gmane.org") > | (nnweb "gmane" > | (nnweb-type gmane)) > | (nnweb "google" > | (nnweb-type google))) I don't think duplicating Gmane makes much sense, does it? Maybe even `(nnweb "google" ...)' causes the problem because it doesn't signal "not found" correctly. (Cf. the "FIXME" in `nnweb-google-wash-article'). > The docs tell me that Gnus will try all select methods until it finds > the searched message, but here it seems that Gnus stops after the first > (current), and return an empty message if it fails with it. Yes, it should. It works for me with... ,----[ <f1> v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. | [...] | Value: | (current | (nntp "localhost") | (nnml "personal") | (nnml "news") | (nnml "archive") | (nntp "news.uni-ulm.de") | (nntp "news.belwue.de") | (nntp "news.gmane.org") | (nntp "news.gnus.org") | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 15:53 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-04-06 16:45 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 18:10 ` Reiner Steib [not found] ` <mailman.133.1144341940.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: Hi Reiner, >> | (nntp "news.gmane.org") >> | (nnweb "gmane" >> | (nnweb-type gmane)) >> | (nnweb "google" >> | (nnweb-type google))) > > I don't think duplicating Gmane makes much sense, does it? Not sure. I thought the web archives may perhaps store articles forever while the news server expires them after some time. But, of course, I may be wrong... > Maybe even `(nnweb "google" ...)' causes the problem because it > doesn't signal "not found" correctly. (Cf. the "FIXME" in > `nnweb-google-wash-article'). Ah, I see. But the article I tested with can surely be found with google, but it return an empty article when pressing RET on its MID. (see <87psjuu1v6.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de>) >> The docs tell me that Gnus will try all select methods until it finds >> the searched message, but here it seems that Gnus stops after the >> first (current), and return an empty message if it fails with it. > > Yes, it should. It works for me with... But not for me. In <87psjuu1v6.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de> I've cut down gnus-refer-article-method to only current and google, but even then no article will be found. But with `G w RET <MID> RET' this article and all articles in gnu.emacs.gnus where I mention this MID are found. Regards, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 16:45 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 18:10 ` Reiner Steib 2006-04-06 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-04-06 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Apr 06 2006, Tassilo Horn wrote: > I thought the web archives may perhaps store articles forever while > the news server expires them after some time. But, of course, I may > be wrong... You are wrong here, I think. Gmane's web server fetches the articles from the news server. (You could ask on gmane.discuss to be sure.) Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 18:10 ` Reiner Steib @ 2006-04-06 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: > You are wrong here, I think. Gmane's web server fetches the articles > from the news server. (You could ask on gmane.discuss to be sure.) Good to know. Thanks, Tassilo -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.133.1144341940.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-06 20:55 ` Adam Sjøgren 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2006-04-06 20:55 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:45:11 +0200, Tassilo wrote: > Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes: >> I don't think duplicating Gmane makes much sense, does it? > Not sure. I thought the web archives may perhaps store articles forever > while the news server expires them after some time. But, of course, I > may be wrong... Gmane is an archive. Emails on Gmane never expire. (Unless people ask for it in their headers, that is). Best regards, -- "I love loopholes." Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.125.1144336133.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-06 15:41 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-06 16:51 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.134.1144342330.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-06 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: > In Gnus Manual there is: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The `nnweb' back end allows an easy interface to the mighty search > engine. You create an `nnweb' group, enter a search pattern, and then > enter the group and read the articles like you would any normal group. > The `G w' command in the group buffer (*note Foreign Groups::) will do > this in an easy-to-use fashion. > > [...] > > You must have the `url' and `W3' package or those alternatives (try > `customize-group' on the `mm-url' variable group) installed to be able > to use `nnweb'. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, > but the message gnus finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) > are all completely blank. Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > It seems, that nnweb.el works. If you want to search for a message > with the message-id <foobar@barfoo.example> at google, go into your > *Group* buffer and type: > > `G w RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' > > Then a new summary buffer with the found article will open. > > To search at gmane you could write: > > `G w gmane RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' > > BTW: You can search with any search string, not only message-ids. So if > you want to search for postings at google which are about blue roses > try: > > `G w RET blue roses RET' Hi, Tassilo: as I reported in my previous message, the articles I get that way are all blank: that's why I started the present thread. If instead it works for you, maybe there's some difference in our procedures; but I did exactly `G w RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' as you suggest. Any idea? Cheers, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-06 15:41 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-06 16:51 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.134.1144342330.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-06 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > but I did exactly `G w RET <foobar@barfoo.example> RET' as you > suggest. Did you really type "<foobar@barfoo.example>"? That was only a placeholder. :-) Try: `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET' This works for me and a new summary buffer should appear containing some messages by me and the original message with above's MID. But first you have to make sure, that google is in your `gnus-refer-article-method'. ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] | gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. | Its value is | (current | (nnweb "google" | (nnweb-type google))) `---- If that's not the case, you need to set it in your ~/.gnus.el. (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) Bye, Tassilo -- A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.134.1144342330.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-07 10:04 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 11:10 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.160.1144408269.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 10:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: > In Gnus Manual there is: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The `nnweb' back end allows an easy interface to the mighty search > engine. You create an `nnweb' group, enter a search pattern, and then > enter the group and read the articles like you would any normal group. > The `G w' command in the group buffer (*note Foreign Groups::) will do > this in an easy-to-use fashion. > > [...] > > You must have the `url' and `W3' package or those alternatives (try > `customize-group' on the `mm-url' variable group) installed to be able > to use `nnweb'. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, > but the message gnus finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) > are all completely blank. Tassilo wrote: > Try: > > `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET' > > This works for me and a new summary buffer should appear containing some > messages by me and the original message with above's MID. > > But first you have to make sure, that google is in your > `gnus-refer-article-method'. > > ,----[ C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET ] > | gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. > | Its value is > | (current > | (nnweb "google" > | (nnweb-type google))) > `---- > > If that's not the case, you need to set it in your ~/.gnus.el. > > (setq gnus-refer-article-method > '(current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google)))) I did as you suggest: in my ~/.gnus.el I put the above stuff, closed emacs, opened up emacs, started Gnus and did: `C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET', and the following message appeared: gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. Its value is (current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google))) . Then I did: `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET'; but, as I reported in my very first message of the present long thread, all the messages displayed by Gnus are *completely blank*. I strongly please you all Gnus experts, if a solution to the problem has ever been found, to kindly provide it in the present thread also for gnus-newbie people like me. Thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-07 10:04 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 11:10 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.160.1144408269.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-07 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. > Its value is > (current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google))) > > . Then I did: > `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET'; > but, as I reported in my very first message of the present long thread, > all the messages displayed by Gnus are *completely blank*. Excatly this works for me. Really odd... Is your NoGnus copy up-to-date? Bye, Tassilo -- A morning without coffee is like something without something else. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.160.1144408269.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-07 11:33 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 14:37 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-07 14:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: >> gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. >> Its value is >> (current >> (nnweb "google" >> (nnweb-type google))) >> >> . Then I did: >> `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET'; >> but, as I reported in my very first message of the present long thread, >> all the messages displayed by Gnus are *completely blank*. > Tassilo wrote: > Excatly this works for me. Really odd... > > Is your NoGnus copy up-to-date? Maybe not: the command `M-x gnus-version' produces the following response: No Gnus v0.4 . Shall I update it? Bye, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-07 11:33 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 14:37 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-07 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > No Gnus v0.4 I've seen that, look at your User-Agent header. ;-) ,---- | User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) `---- NoGnus is the current development Gnus from CVS HEAD, so I thought you checked it out from CVS, did you? If not and you use a package you distribution provides, then you have to ask the maintainer if he wants to update it unless you use gentoo as I do. If that's the case the update is as simple as: ,---- | # emerge gnus-cvs `---- After that, restart Emacs/Gnus and try again. Bye, Tassilo -- A morning without coffee is like something without something else. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.160.1144408269.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-07 11:33 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 14:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 16:29 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.171.1144427470.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: > I did as you suggest: in my ~/.gnus.el I put the above stuff, > closed emacs, opened up emacs, started Gnus and did: > `C-h v gnus-refer-article-method RET', > and the following message appeared: > > gnus-refer-article-method is a variable defined in `gnus.el'. > Its value is > (current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google))) > > . Then I did: > `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET'; > but, as I reported in my very first message of the present long thread, > all the messages displayed by Gnus are *completely blank*. Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: >> `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET'; >> but, as I reported in my very first message of the present long thread, >> all the messages displayed by Gnus are *completely blank*. > > Excatly this works for me. Really odd... > > Is your NoGnus copy up-to-date? I tried to update my NoGnus copy with: `$ cvs update' from my `~/gnus' directory but got the output: cvs update: warning: failed to open /home/rodolfo/.cvspass for reading: No such file or directory cvs update: authorization failed: server cvs.gnus.org rejected access to /usr/local/cvsroot for user gnus cvs update: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password . Then I removed Gnus and freshly downloaded it from cvs repositories and installed it again; but now it's even worse: when I do `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET' in the group buffer, no message is displayed, not even blank, but instead in the echo area I get the output: url-http: Process groups.google.com not running . I'm really stuck! Any help? Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-07 14:47 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-07 16:29 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.171.1144427470.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-07 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > but now it's even worse: when I do > `G w RET <419g22duprrhohcfaf84srcl0bdrljsjnl@4ax.com> RET' > in the group buffer, no message is displayed, not even blank, > but instead in the echo area I get the output: Echo area? Do you mean the mini buffer or *Messages*? > url-http: Process groups.google.com not running ,----[ C-h f url-http RET ] | url-http is an autoloaded Lisp function in `url-http'. | (url-http URL CALLBACK CBARGS) | | Retrieve URL via HTTP asynchronously. | URL must be a parsed URL. See `url-generic-parse-url' for details. | When retrieval is completed, the function CALLBACK is executed with | CBARGS as the arguments. `---- `url-http' is an emacs function, so the first thing I'd try would be updating emacs, too. Bye, Tassilo -- A morning without coffee is like something without something else. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.171.1144427470.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-07 17:31 ` Johan Bockgård 2006-04-07 17:53 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-08 13:04 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 1 sibling, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Johan Bockgård @ 2006-04-07 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Echo area? Do you mean the mini buffer or *Messages*? "Echo area" is correct. (info "(emacs)Glossary") Echo Area The echo area is the bottom line of the screen, used for echoing the arguments to commands, for asking questions, and showing brief messages (including error messages). The messages are stored in the buffer `*Messages*' so you can review them later. Minibuffer The minibuffer is the window that appears when necessary inside the echo area (q.v.), used for reading arguments to commands. -- Johan Bockgård ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-07 17:31 ` Johan Bockgård @ 2006-04-07 17:53 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-07 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes: Hi Johan, > "Echo area" is correct. > > (info "(emacs)Glossary") > > Echo Area > The echo area is the bottom line of the screen, used for echoing > the arguments to commands, for asking questions, and showing > brief messages (including error messages). The messages are > stored in the buffer `*Messages*' so you can review them later. > > Minibuffer > The minibuffer is the window that appears when necessary inside > the echo area (q.v.), used for reading arguments to commands. Oh, thanks, you life and learn. ;-) Regards, Tassilo -- A morning without coffee is like something without something else. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) [not found] ` <mailman.171.1144427470.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-07 17:31 ` Johan Bockgård @ 2006-04-08 13:04 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-08 14:09 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-08 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: > Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup > are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via > nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface > and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. > How come? > > [snip] > > Other threads are only partially accessible via nntp. > > Any thought/suggestion? The Gnus Manual says: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > The `nnweb' back end allows an easy interface to the mighty search > engine. You create an `nnweb' group, enter a search pattern, and then > enter the group and read the articles like you would any normal group. > The `G w' command in the group buffer (*note Foreign Groups) will do > this in an easy-to-use fashion. > > [snip] > > You must have the `url' and `W3' package or those alternatives (try > `customize-group' on the `mm-url' variable group) installed to be able > to use `nnweb'. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Rodolfo wrote: > I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, > but the message gnus finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) > are all completely blank. It seems to be solved, now. All I had to do was to update my cvs copies of emacs and gnus and put in my ~/.gnus.el the following stuff: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) . Then, in the group buffer, I did: `G w RET <search string> RET' an Gnus displayed the message(s) corrispondent to the search string. Many kind thanks to Tassilo and all the other posters in the present thread. But now: suppose I want to continue an old thread: I can fetch it with the above procedure, but how can I follow it up to the gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup? If I do `S n' (or `S N') in the Article buffer and then try to send it with `C-c C-c', gnus says: Sending... Really use this possibly unknown group: gnu.emacs.gnus? (y or n) Sending news via m2lkugcom8.fsf-ephemeral using nnweb... nnweb-request-post not implemented Couldn't send message via news: nnweb-request-post not implemented . Is it possible, and how, to send a follow up to an old message displayed with `nnweb' mode? It is clear that one wants to fetch old messages via gnus in order to: 1) store them; 2) maybe continue them. Any ideas? Thanks, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-08 13:04 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-08 14:09 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.200.1144505381.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-14 18:18 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina 2 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-08 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > It seems to be solved, now. > All I had to do was to update my cvs copies of emacs and gnus and put > in my ~/.gnus.el the following stuff: > > (setq gnus-refer-article-method > '(current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google)))) > > > . Then, in the group buffer, I did: > `G w RET <search string> RET' > an Gnus displayed the message(s) corrispondent to the search string. Could you please try I fetching old messages by pressing RET on a message-id or with ^ in Summary buffer works, too? That's the thing which doesn't work for me... > But now: > suppose I want to continue an old thread: > I can fetch it with the above procedure, but how can I follow it up to the > gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup? > If I do `S n' (or `S N') in the Article buffer and then try to send it with > `C-c C-c', gnus says: Why `S n' or `S N' and not `f' or `F', since you didn't get the message by mail but by news? ,----[ (info "(gnus)Summary Post Commands") ] | `S f' | `f' | Post a followup to the current article (`gnus-summary-followup'). | | `S n' | Post a followup to the current article via news, even if you got | the message through mail (`gnus-summary-followup-to-mail'). `---- But that should not cause the problem, I think. ,----[ (info "(gnus)Posting Server") ] | When posting news, Message usually invokes `message-send-news' | (*note News Variables: (message)News Variables.). Normally, Gnus will | post using the same select method as you're reading from (which might | be convenient if you're reading lots of groups from different private | servers). However. If the server you're reading from doesn't allow | posting, just reading, you probably want to use some other server to | post your (extremely intelligent and fabulously interesting) articles. | You can then set the `gnus-post-method' to some other method: | | (setq gnus-post-method '(nnspool "")) | | Now, if you've done this, and then this server rejects your article, | or this server is down, what do you do then? To override this variable | you can use a non-zero prefix to the `C-c C-c' command to force using | the "current" server, to get back the default behavior, for posting. `---- Reading that, the correct entry in your ~/.gnus.el should possibly look like that: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google) (gnus-post-method '(nntp "your.news-server.example"))))) Please replace "your.news-server.example" with the correct address (or the select method name) and give it a try. Bye, Tassilo -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.200.1144505381.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-08 16:46 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-08 18:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.203.1144520497.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-09 9:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Rodolfo Medina 1 sibling, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-08 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Could you please try I fetching old messages by pressing RET on a > message-id or with ^ in Summary buffer works, too? > > That's the thing which doesn't work for me... I'll let you know as soon as possible, sorry I didn't yet, but I'm going to work... Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >> But now: >> suppose I want to continue an old thread: >> I can fetch it with the above procedure, but how can I follow it up to the >> gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup? >> If I do `S n' (or `S N') in the Article buffer and then try to send it with >> `C-c C-c', gnus says: > > Sending... > Really use this possibly unknown group: gnu.emacs.gnus? (y or n) > Sending news via m2sloo3uj4.fsf-ephemeral using nnweb... > nnweb-request-post not implemented > Couldn't send message via news: nnweb-request-post not implemented Tassilo: > the correct entry in your ~/.gnus.el should possibly look > like that: > > (setq gnus-refer-article-method > '(current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google) > (gnus-post-method '(nntp "your.news-server.example"))))) > > Please replace "your.news-server.example" with the correct address (or > the select method name) and give it a try. Thanks, I did as you suggest but it doesn't work: just as before. I replaced "your.news-server.example" with "news.gnus.org". Any other idea? Cheers, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-08 16:46 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-08 18:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.203.1144520497.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-08 18:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, >>> If I do `S n' (or `S N') in the Article buffer and then try to send >>> it with `C-c C-c', gnus says: Hey, Rodolfo is right here. If you press `F' or `f' here, Gnus sends the follow up message to the poster by mail. `S n' / `S N' sends the follow up to the newsgroup. Is that the way it's intended to be? >> (setq gnus-refer-article-method >> '(current >> (nnweb "google" >> (nnweb-type google) >> (gnus-post-method '(nntp "your.news-server.example"))))) > > Thanks, I did as you suggest but it doesn't work: Yes, I've tested this myself. gnus-post-method's value is `current', even if you use the snipped above. I've also tried putting `setq' in front of gnus-post-method, but still it's `current'. What's the right way of setting `gnus-post-method' for web group? Bye, Tassilo -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup [not found] ` <mailman.203.1144520497.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-11 15:50 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-11 17:25 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-11 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo wrote: >> But now: >> suppose I want to continue an old thread: >> I can fetch it with the above procedure, but how can I follow it up to the >> gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup? >> If I do `S n' (or `S N') in the Article buffer and then try to send it with >> `C-c C-c', gnus says: > > Sending... > Really use this possibly unknown group: gnu.emacs.gnus? (y or n) > Sending news via m2sloo3uj4.fsf-ephemeral using nnweb... > nnweb-request-post not implemented > Couldn't send message via news: nnweb-request-post not implemented Tassilo wrote: > the correct entry in your ~/.gnus.el should possibly look > like that: > > (setq gnus-refer-article-method > '(current > (nnweb "google" > (nnweb-type google) > (gnus-post-method '(nntp "your.news-server.example"))))) > > Please replace "your.news-server.example" with the correct address (or > the select method name) and give it a try. Rodolfo: >> Thanks, I did as you suggest but it doesn't work: >> just as before. I replaced "your.news-server.example" with >> "news.gnus.org". Tassilo: > Yes, I've tested this myself. gnus-post-method's value is `current', > even if you use the snipped above. I've also tried putting `setq' in > front of gnus-post-method, but still it's `current'. > > What's the right way of setting `gnus-post-method' for web group? It seems to be solved now: whan you send the message, instead of `C-c C-c' do: `C-u 0 C-c C-c': Gnus will prompt you for a gnus-post-method. Type `news.gnus.org', or whatever the server you use to read the gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup, and the message will correctly be sent. I did so, and it worked. I want now to summarize the whole matter: please correct if something's wrong. ------------------------------------------------------------- How to fetch old messages and in case continue them with gnus ------------------------------------------------------------- 1) If you don't have it, install a cvs version of Emacs and a cvs version of Gnus; if you already have them, update them both; I also tried to install the W3 and url packages, although I don't know if it's really necessary (I will check); 2) put in your ~/.gnus.el the following stuff: (setq gnus-refer-article-method '(current (nnweb "google" (nnweb-type google)))) 3) first, search for the article you're looking for the usual way, i.e. doing `M-^ <message-ID>' in the gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer; if it has been canceled from the group, gnus will not find it: then, from the group buffer do: `G w RET <search string> RET', where 'search string' might be the article's subject, or its ID, or anything else able to find it: if it's in the google groups archives gnus will then find and display it; 4) with `B c' on the message, copy it into a new group (say it `interesting-messages') you had already created doing `G m' in the group buffer; 5) if all you wanted was to store the article, you've done; if you want to reply to it, first open up your server; then go to article you've stored and hit `S N'; when you send you reply to gnu.emacs.gnus, instead of `C-c C-c' do: `C-u 0 C-c C-c': Gnus will prompt you for a gnus-post-method. Type `news.gnus.org', or whatever the server you use to read the gnu.emacs.gnus newsgroup will be, and the message will correctly be sent. . Cheers, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-11 15:50 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-11 17:25 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-11 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, >> What's the right way of setting `gnus-post-method' for web group? > > It seems to be solved now: > whan you send the message, instead of `C-c C-c' do: `C-u 0 C-c C-c': > Gnus will prompt you for a gnus-post-method. Type `news.gnus.org', Hey, not bad. Not as optimal as setting `gnus-post-method' automatically, but I can live with that. > I want now to summarize the whole matter: please correct if > something's wrong. Looks ok to me. Regards, Tassilo -- A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.200.1144505381.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-08 16:46 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-09 9:54 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-09 15:38 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.214.1144597109.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-09 9:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >> It seems to be solved, now. >> All I had to do was to update my cvs copies of emacs and gnus and put >> in my ~/.gnus.el the following stuff: >> >> (setq gnus-refer-article-method >> '(current >> (nnweb "google" >> (nnweb-type google)))) >> >> >> . Then, in the group buffer, I did: >> `G w RET <search string> RET' >> an Gnus displayed the message(s) corrispondent to the search string. > Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Could you please try I fetching old messages by pressing RET on a > message-id or with ^ in Summary buffer works, too? > > That's the thing which doesn't work for me... Hi, Tassilo: by pressing RET on a message-id *nothing* happens; hitting ^ on an article in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus summary buffer, the previous message is opened; with `M-^ <message-id>' in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus (maybe you meant that, not `^'?), the following is written in the Messages buffer: Opening nnweb server on google...done Loading url-auth...done Contacting host: www.google.com:80 Loading url-cache...done Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 [2 times] Requested article not found Generating summary...done Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com> No such article (may have expired or been canceled) . Bye, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-09 9:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-09 15:38 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.214.1144597109.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-09 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > by pressing RET on a message-id *nothing* happens; Weird. Here I get an blank message... > hitting ^ on an article in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus > summary buffer, the previous message is opened; > with `M-^ <message-id>' in the nntp+news.gnus.org:gnu.emacs.gnus > (maybe you meant that, not `^'?), I meant hitting `^' on an article whos parent is not available anymore, so that this has to be fetched. > the following is written in the Messages buffer: > > Opening nnweb server on google...done > Loading url-auth...done > Contacting host: www.google.com:80 > Loading url-cache...done > Contacting host: groups.google.com:80 [2 times] > Requested article not found > Generating summary...done > Fetched article <97a048c6.0409120237.7ad4c627@posting.google.com> > No such article (may have expired or been canceled) In <87psjuu1v6.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de> I described the same behavior. But now I'm running out of ideas... I'd like to know if there's anyone for whom nnweb (google) fully works. Bye, Tassilo -- 98% of us Americans are hard-working people. It's the other 2% that give us a bad reputation. Then again, we did elect them. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.214.1144597109.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-11 15:39 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-11 15:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.303.1144768908.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-11 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Could you please try I fetching old messages by pressing RET on a > message-id or with ^ in Summary buffer works, too? > > That's the thing which doesn't work for me... Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > > [snip] > Tassilo: > In <87psjuu1v6.fsf@baldur.nicundtas.de> I described the same > behavior. But now I'm running out of ideas... > > I'd like to know if there's anyone for whom nnweb (google) fully works. Well, but now we can fecth old articles with `G w', so it's not so important... ;) Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-11 15:39 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-11 15:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.303.1144768908.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-11 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > Well, but now we can fecth old articles with `G w', so it's not so > important... ;) I wouldn't say that. The nnweb use case I need most frequently is that I have a follow up to a locally expired article in my summary buffer. ,----[ *Summary of some.group* ] | | Rodolfo Medina | ~> Re: foo bar bla blubb `---- Normally I would press `^' on this article and nnweb would fetch the (locally expired) parent at google or gmane and place the result into the current summary buffer. Killing the message-id, going to *Group* and doing `G w RET C-y RET' takes much more time and is far off convenient. Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.303.1144768908.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-13 14:35 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-13 15:11 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-13 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: >> Well, but now we can fecth old articles with `G w', so it's not so >> important... ;) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > I wouldn't say that. The nnweb use case I need most frequently is that I > have a follow up to a locally expired article in my summary buffer. > > ,----[ *Summary of some.group* ] > | | Rodolfo Medina | ~> Re: foo bar bla blubb > `---- > > Normally I would press `^' on this article and nnweb would fetch the > (locally expired) parent at google or gmane and place the result into > the current summary buffer. > > Killing the message-id, going to *Group* and doing `G w RET C-y RET' > takes much more time and is far off convenient. All right, I see. Then, if you ever come to a solution, please post it in the present thread... Cheers, Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-13 14:35 ` Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-13 15:11 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-13 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: Hi Rodolfo, > Then, if you ever come to a solution, please post it in the present > thread... Sure! Bye, Tassilo -- "Emacs is not a development tool but a way of life." - David Kastrup in alt.religion.emacs - ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-08 13:04 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-08 14:09 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.200.1144505381.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-14 18:18 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-14 20:19 ` Reiner Steib 2 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-14 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > It seems to be solved, now. ... but with a "little" problem: all emails appearing in messages are partially hidden by google: e.g., in place of `rodolfo.medina@gmail.com' you will see: `rodolfo.med...@gmail.com'. This way, some important information included in the message are lost, because the cut is done every time the symbol `@' appears. Any remedy to that? Rodolfo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-14 18:18 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina @ 2006-04-14 20:19 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2006-04-14 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, Apr 14 2006, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > all emails appearing in messages are partially hidden by google: > e.g., in place of `rodolfo.medina@gmail.com' you will see: > `rodolfo.med...@gmail.com'. > This way, some important information included in the message are > lost, because the cut is done every time the symbol `@' appears. > > Any remedy to that? Convince Google not to cripple the articles. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.63.1144192791.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-04 23:33 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-05 0:27 ` Andreas Seltenreich 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-04 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Andreas Seltenreich <seltenreich@gmx.de> writes: > > Hi Andreas, > [...] > Can I provide any additional infos? I would volunteer to spend some time > with testing to get this fixed (before the release, if possible). > > Kind regards, > Tassilo Would it be possible to add one extra method using external program/script? [message-id passed passed as command line argument, post retrieved from standard output of the command when exit code equlals zero ] I personally would prefer using perl script for the task. -- [pl2en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@priv.onet.pl : anfi@xl.wp.pl http://anfi.homeunix.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-04 23:33 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Andrzej Adam Filip @ 2006-04-05 0:27 ` Andreas Seltenreich 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2006-04-05 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw) Andrzej Adam Filip schrob: > Would it be possible to add one extra method using external > program/script? > [message-id passed passed as command line argument, post retrieved from > standard output of the command when exit code equlals zero ] > > I personally would prefer using perl script for the task. I'm afraid this part of nnweb.el isn't customisable yet. regards, andreas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
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* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode [not found] ` <mailman.51.1144180523.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2006-04-05 9:19 ` Tim X 2006-04-05 10:46 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 55+ messages in thread From: Tim X @ 2006-04-05 9:19 UTC (permalink / raw) Tassilo Horn <heimdall@uni-koblenz.de> writes: > Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > > Hi Rodolfo, > >> I installed emacs-w3m and also the `url' package, but the message gnus >> finds with the above procedure (`G w' etcetera) are all completely >> blank. > > Here, too. Google has changed its format, and it's not documented > anywhere. If you use groups.google.com's search in a browser you can see > the new search-string, but there's no way to find out how to tell google > to return the found article as plain-text, so that gnus can display it. > > Maybe one could work arround this by fetching the result's html page and > stripping the html-tags, but that would be really hard work... > > It's likely that there's no API because google doesn't want that people > use it that way. People searching for articles at google via their > newsreaders cannot see the banners and ads... > > Nevertheless, I've sent a mail to google and asked if usage of > groups.google.com in own applications is allowed, and if yes, where I > can read how it works. > > Regards, > Tassilo > -- > A child of five could understand this! Fetch me a child of five! > > > Although not a great solution, you could probably use xslt to translate the html? Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Problems with `nnweb' mode 2006-04-05 9:19 ` Tim X @ 2006-04-05 10:46 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2006-04-05 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Tim X <timx@nospam.dev.null> writes: Hi Tim, > Although not a great solution, you could probably use xslt to > translate the html? As you can see in Andreas' postings, it seems to work for him as-is. So it should work with nnweb.el - I only need to figure out why it doesn't work for me. :-) Regards, Tassilo -- My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
* Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup 2006-04-02 9:27 Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-02 15:24 ` David Z Maze @ 2006-04-03 8:28 ` Alan_C 1 sibling, 0 replies; 55+ messages in thread From: Alan_C @ 2006-04-03 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Rodolfo Medina <rodolfo.medina@gmail.com> writes: > Hi. > > Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup > are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via > nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface > and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. > How come? I don't know. But in the summary or where articles are listed, I've seen missing parent of article it is because I previously read it -- at that buffer there is menu item "article" then "fetch parent of article" Previously read I think are in the .newsrc file -rw-r--r-- 1 al users 917 2006-03-22 19:36 .newsrc -rw-r--r-- 1 al users 5589 2006-03-22 19:36 .newsrc.eld -rw-r--r-- 1 al users 5605 2006-03-20 04:22 .newsrc.eld~ -rw-r--r-- 1 al users 71 2005-12-17 23:59 .newsrc_orig -rw-r--r-- 1 al users 911 2006-03-20 04:22 .newsrc~ I made .newsrc_orig as a copy of a fresh .newsrc before downloading and reading any messages. It has only the groups: alt.os.linux.slackware: alt.test: comp.lang.perl.misc: perl.beginners: each group with a colon at end (I've edited .newsrc before, removing some of the message numbers which then those messages show up again and can read again too. I could cp .newsrc_orig .newsrc to start afresh. -- Alan. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 55+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2006-04-14 20:19 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 55+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2006-04-02 9:27 Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-02 15:24 ` David Z Maze 2006-04-02 15:45 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 16:43 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-03 17:57 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-03 21:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-04 15:00 ` Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-04 10:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-04 19:30 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn 2006-04-04 22:00 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-04 23:19 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-05 0:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 4:22 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-05 8:12 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.85.1144224797.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-05 23:42 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-05 8:00 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-05 23:40 ` Andreas Seltenreich 2006-04-06 9:19 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 16:04 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.117.1144315172.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-06 13:51 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-06 15:08 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 15:53 ` Reiner Steib 2006-04-06 16:45 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-06 18:10 ` Reiner Steib 2006-04-06 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.133.1144341940.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-06 20:55 ` Adam Sjøgren [not found] ` <mailman.125.1144336133.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-06 15:41 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-06 16:51 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.134.1144342330.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-07 10:04 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 11:10 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.160.1144408269.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-07 11:33 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 14:37 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-07 14:47 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-07 16:29 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.171.1144427470.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-07 17:31 ` Johan Bockgård 2006-04-07 17:53 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-08 13:04 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode (was: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup) Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-08 14:09 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.200.1144505381.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-08 16:46 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-08 18:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.203.1144520497.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-11 15:50 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-11 17:25 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-09 9:54 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-09 15:38 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.214.1144597109.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-11 15:39 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-11 15:21 ` Tassilo Horn [not found] ` <mailman.303.1144768908.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-13 14:35 ` Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-13 15:11 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-14 18:18 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Rodolfo Medina 2006-04-14 20:19 ` Reiner Steib [not found] ` <mailman.63.1144192791.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-04 23:33 ` Problems with `nnweb' mode Andrzej Adam Filip 2006-04-05 0:27 ` Andreas Seltenreich [not found] ` <mailman.51.1144180523.9609.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2006-04-05 9:19 ` Tim X 2006-04-05 10:46 ` Tassilo Horn 2006-04-03 8:28 ` Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Alan_C
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