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In-Reply-To: <87il71dimy.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 20 Oct 2023 06:26:13 +0200") References: <65316d26.050a0220.cf46d.a86aSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <87pm1ajru6.vaieud@sxvlwsiny.lyvnxaimo.net> <6531aa57.050a0220.a965a.55e5SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <87sf66m7pn.fsf@web.de> <87edhq80f6.qtuqpnw@ymvf.vhkf.net> <87il71dimy.fsf@web.de> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 03:59:03 +0530 Message-ID: <87r0lmmguo.fsf@gmx.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1S6EJTIHCIrRg61GzS6YaZaB/pk91LHbysCIZm4qyia+y7Wq/0Z BzodbTclgOqEV6nHvKDDMIGnu8jgi7KQ6UJgWV1Xv3MVzrmHYd3E/NlQKVVtWxpXeqkfWid 310A93cT5Mt4St7HMugeL1callcSuDCid+c0UgcQEyRrKDASCwh/ai0zxU0mqMPrejFIKjO kVNSGpMtrSXn9dCFhAeMA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:xzFtJQ+lU/Y=;0FwXEFwU7vDDjvqQbekrI5lR5kd KKpyIrF1a3BhSbT+IeIErM0LN8yqLOWq8U4VoqCE+XYl/+PzBCA6b9RmvjKjr5satUY0dpUxn 8v2ls9K55G2wzPdtCeDLJ/OIIzy3RZQkdZQtrdVpkRh9jm1AsWHYpNO8nFJ/UpP3JjhC4siEV XI+F6k6dvp/T02I1/hsGYjiqxP8qTbc+qt4NTZjg+ea+HE1CSYreQoysmCKx6Tk93yAd3bSSX ZH1LF7FZVWoM0tEVmykrkkW6k711Gbyymbz6rZmRIgNW7dDQe4j0+LTcocYC0703bh1/iP/47 ONf+hMAo0+Y2TUGLBqohovRZGrG46lwvcfHVi8L1XU3UNZMRpgTEarmlUiEdt//RwXJ+iV0tu LR6FuKy5Z42jOWEpvjTURayq4sM4oshOU7OuX2HnEii8pzMgtf89z6HWpGSn2w27I9wpeAjLH AwONw+9uTsRXqsrpBg13ZGQSr5VQ5UNbRzisEncoRRDP9q48poztbpBcByLGfsBTHF2Y4BTuK YjjnbD8BSxo9D6ft1ZuzaVcK0G6l3ALiYraEiaRckOqC8MxBBO0aVwLysvyktEzX9QQNOxHBT 0ntTN89tMav0JxFJLnQaz2Z1CYFq7HIIHBQqLwsTZJfYPBv/FNmgBpj9ib/vo0xlQprN/db5X 7QrTuHpxeXcYImt+M0lEZaH+Enefsf5nF5++lklck1hwJMTmyPtnDUiwR2OngdET6+qUwn3QC pgITDOs1SPM6BQ2UHpsW0QQdkgYB36PZL5qsf5wzLxsKMzR4qiR8LXXBhelrpqTgElCL70ja6 Fe+LMABWno/E2amlRxvR4SiLajmQxzYJ25Q7iVR6s0Dsr3Ew8DouTDInMSpfmKxmfHjZu4iAb wcSSp1ImuwNWxx5A8Po136APD/A+kKywnkG32bjvZWGWTI/KeLBd/GUwV3AjloJPviMUzbxwg Lq0x2Q== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.15; envelope-from=jimjoe@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Michael Heerdegen wrote: > AFAIU Gnus stores such stuff in a file named ".newsrc.eld" (AFAIR > ".newsrc.el" in older Emacs versions). And indeed, among other things > there seems to be information about "seen" status of messages in that > file, as well as saved status, ticked and dormant status, all of that > Gnus specific stuff, but nothing related to the "read" (or "old") > status. So I guess the "read" status is fetched every time when you > open the group, along with the rest (list of existing messages etc). Just FYI: For those who use the agent, (info "(gnus) Agent and flags") is also relevant in this regard. --