Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven E. Harris <seharris@raytheon.com> writes:

> After running "configure --with-xemacs" and "make," then "make
> install,"

Er...  why?  Just point load-path to the gnus/lisp directory.

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven E. Harris <seharris@raytheon.com> writes:

> If the "make install" target is not supposed to work anymore, then it
> should be removed.

I've been wanting to remove it since it first appeared, but I've been
voted down.  :-)

> But note: the missing files are missing because they didn't get
> compiled. If Gnus does not intend to compile all of the Lisp files,
> then it shouldn't use compilation as a criteria for what gets
> installed.

Gnus does plan on compiling all the files, but it sounds like
compilation failed for you.

What output did "make" give you?

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven E. Harris <seharris@raytheon.com> writes:

> URLDIR=/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/w3/ W3DIR=/usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/lisp/w3/ lispdir=/home/sharr/usr/local/lib/xemacs/site-packages/lisp/gnus srcdir=. xemacs -batch -no-autoloads -l ./dgnushack.el -f dgnushack-compile
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/c/Temp/Download/gnus-5.10.1/lisp'
> cd texi && make EMACS="xemacs" all

[...]

> See anything weird? Again, this used to work as of ognus-0.18.

Yes, that's majorly weird.  Before leaving the lisp directory, it's
supposed to compile all the files (and say that it's doing so).  :-)
So it's failing miserably.

I've now tried myself with XEmacs 21.4, and it works just fine for
me.

Could you try loading dgnushack.el and eval-ing (dgnushack-compile)
manually and see what happens (or not)?

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, May 01 2003, Steven E. Harris wrote:

> [Cygwin, Windows 2000, XEmacs 21.4.11, Gnus 5.10.1]
[...]
> After running "configure --with-xemacs" and "make," then "make
> install," there are lots of .el and .elc files that don't get copied
> into the target install directory. The installation had been working
> fine at least through ognus-0.18.
>
> Here is a list of files installed in the lisp/gnus directory:

More interesting is, what's missing [1].

> Note, for example, that gnus-art.* and gnus-cite.* aren't present. It
> seems that only files that emit a compiled .elc file during "make" get
> copied over by "make install." 

Yup:

,----[ lisp/Makefile ]
| install-el: gnus-load.el
| [...]
| 	for p in *.elc; do \
| 	  p=`basename $$p c`; \
| 	  if [ -f "$(srcdir)/$$p" ]; then \
| 	    echo " $(INSTALL_DATA) $$p $(lispdir)/$$p"; \
| 	    $(INSTALL_DATA) $(srcdir)/$$p $(lispdir)/$$p; \
| 	  fi; \
| 	done
| 
| install-elc: clever
| 	rm -f dgnushack.elc
| 	$(SHELL) $(top_srcdir)/mkinstalldirs $(lispdir)
| 	for p in *.elc; do \
| 	  echo " $(INSTALL_DATA) $$p $(lispdir)/$$p"; \
| 	  $(INSTALL_DATA) $$p $(lispdir)/$$p; \
| 	done
`----

Can you (or other XEmacs/Cygwin users) investigate *why* XEmacs
couldn't produce those *.elc files?

You may also try to compile and install Gnus using `make.bat'.

On Thu, May 01 2003, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Steven E. Harris <seharris@raytheon.com> writes:
>
>> After running "configure --with-xemacs" and "make," then "make
>> install,"
>
> Er...  why?  Just point load-path to the gnus/lisp directory.

It's a matter of taste.  I like to have the *.el/*.elc files in
.../site-lisp/gnus-Oort and the info files in .../info.

Bye, Reiner.

[1] With XEmacs-21.4.12 (on Linux) I get the following additional
*.elc files compared to your list:

deuglify.elc earcon.elc gnus-agent.elc gnus-art.elc gnus-async.elc
gnus-cache.elc gnus-cite.elc gnus-cus.elc gnus-delay.elc
gnus-demon.elc gnus-diary.elc gnus-dired.elc gnus-draft.elc
gnus-dup.elc gnus-gl.elc gnus-group.elc gnus-int.elc gnus-kill.elc
gnus-logic.elc gnus-mh.elc gnus-ml.elc gnus-mlspl.elc gnus-move.elc
gnus-msg.elc gnus-nocem.elc gnus-picon.elc gnus-registry.elc
gnus-salt.elc gnus-score.elc gnus-setup.elc gnus-sieve.elc
gnus-soup.elc gnus-srvr.elc gnus-start.elc gnus-sum.elc gnus-topic.elc
gnus-uu.elc gnus-vm.elc mail-source.elc message.elc mm-decode.elc
mm-extern.elc mm-partial.elc mm-uu.elc mm-view.elc mml-sec.elc
mml-smime.elc mml.elc mml2015.elc nnagent.elc nnbabyl.elc nndb.elc
nndiary.elc nndir.elc nndoc.elc nndraft.elc nneething.elc nnfolder.elc
nngateway.elc nnimap.elc nnkiboze.elc nnlistserv.elc nnmail.elc
nnmaildir.elc nnmbox.elc nnmh.elc nnml.elc nnslashdot.elc nnsoup.elc
nnultimate.elc nnvirtual.elc nnwarchive.elc nnweb.elc nnwfm.elc
smiley.elc spam-report.elc spam.elc webmail.elc
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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

Steven E. Harris <seharris@raytheon.com> writes:

> By the way, I miss that star cloud backdrop in the splash screen. Is
> there an option to get that back?

If you check out the etc/gnus/gnus.xmp file from Oort Gnus 0.21,
you'll get it.  :-)

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Steven E. Harris]

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> If you check out the etc/gnus/gnus.xmp file from Oort Gnus 0.21,
> you'll get it.  :-)

A move, a copy, and a symlink and we're back in business:

,----[ etc/gnus ]
| gnus_default.xpm
| gnus_cloud.xpm
| gnus.xpm -> gnus_cloud.xpm
`----

Thanks.

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

upro <upro@gmx.net> writes:

> This might be a stupid questions, but: What's the dufference between
> ognus 0.24 and gnus 5.10.1?

Well, Gnus 5.10.10 ha has four letters less and one number and one
full stop more than Oort Gnus 0.24.

Other than that -- not much.

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen]

upro <upro@gmx.net> writes:

> But why are YOU still using ognus 0.19?

I'm (ostensibly) at work and haven't bothered to restart my Emacs for
a while here.  :-)

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Adam Sjøgren]

On Fri, 02 May 2003 11:24:08 +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:

>>> Other than that -- not much.

>> A space?

> That's not much.  :-)

Indeed, space isn't much.


  Sorry, on to the next nickname :-),

    Adam

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Re: Gnus v5.10 is released

[Peter Lee]

Jason Dufair <jase@dufair.org> writes:

> Many, many congrats, Lars and others who worked on Oort and other
> Gnusae.  Can't wait to try 5.10...

Well done Lars et al. Although I've only used Gnus a short time, I
find myself wondering how I ever got by without it.