From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6654 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2023 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Jul 2023 08:13:28 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGb9t-0002Je-2v; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 04:13:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGb9r-0002JC-5Y for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 04:13:11 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGb9p-00027A-LK for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 04:13:10 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3fba8e2aa52so63931215e9.1 for ; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 01:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1688458386; x=1691050386; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date :gmane-reply-to-list:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UyU+bOczc3eMJ95hoR+FcghTjDahJ9U5gGKdicPtF+s=; b=UtHRj8sGCV/hlZ51fKno/Cftu8qOd99peXgZniyAp40aRDCuNvIVYsy6ZV05nJCVZo fv6ojPpWkFjw2dgzJ3IPH69ZzFGLnu/N8sqs4el6O0ajd17gDKdqmbNv9410hWZRz9PO 8UnJGsOULBWQZfMMoCqqSABTkYs0yldikNplrEs9B4Ka/Cyr69KZCqqN3DVZQE9MZg9V JDM49B68/tFZ559+Q4JH2gLTTInnuDZidhn4t84InSaPUggASiytspdrRx4wDCFUhTaM 3SiQbXUgRWd73BiZEvyAvaPnKoOoxKG8T8Ke3qwcku4XAdY8MPvJgg1svZDp4hxby0c9 Q2jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1688458386; x=1691050386; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date :gmane-reply-to-list:references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UyU+bOczc3eMJ95hoR+FcghTjDahJ9U5gGKdicPtF+s=; b=IbYbI163DOqblHTsYqAxiO8e03Jbx+qp2YsYIXdsJ6lrtoq0LpTJStS++PuqZ89JXj fYEYZ+uOPIelH3TUm4OwdOYyPKZ/xqBTqvwAScQKPi6nX1Y7NNDRjIPB2O/SQ2TxCdT7 ag6vGk/dotRseg/lJK9YvfJe/Js8pw+NIvZvRZWM/8Las3WU8H+aFpydNi5K9TpEmR4x nESMRDtmplDEXX56nzSu5XRUnKrka6JcI/8EOdMBc0lGZzMtOuYZwQaM2wyWoLsA0yly t51v8YSqYJ+GvlIdrYyXwEC7beEP99yETM/8GoiX04URrgJYzcuFLCyrU2ocL4aTYsaF 6rsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDxVesL4L3D+vhsEbyoCaxb4Utn0HJDZwqaEfgqZqqaPDcCkZY6T ppu+GjX39nn8cStAIpRIIiZIH5pT+Ec= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6YsxTTBoofMCqTY65NzWfV30CL/4UxaH8jq9fFUUeX+QuZIEHkxnOmBjIrwqH6hp8x4eyViA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:790b:0:b0:3fb:b280:f551 with SMTP id l11-20020a1c790b000000b003fbb280f551mr11245398wme.41.1688458385748; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 01:13:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([2a01:e0a:3f3:fb50:eee4:5bf8:b016:9b60]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u3-20020a05600c00c300b003faa6ce54b2sm23324363wmm.2.2023.07.04.01.13.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Jul 2023 01:13:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: Bob Newell Cc: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Subject: Re: Gnus fetch freezes emacs In-Reply-To: <871qho7qbl.gsojqw@emmgtsajj.wfuykysux.com> (Bob Newell's message of "Mon, 03 Jul 2023 09:22:38 -1000") References: <87sfa9nhp4.fsf@gmail.com> <87ttuoeoej.fsf@gmx.net> <87mt0e1h0u.fsf@gmail.com> <87h6qlsw3n.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o7ktjgmw.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <871qho7qbl.gsojqw@emmgtsajj.wfuykysux.com> Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 10:13:04 +0200 Message-ID: <87sfa4857z.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::329; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x329.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org >>>>> On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 09:22:38 -1000, Bob Newell said: >> So this works, in the sense that it stops me waiting forever... Howe= ver, >> it seems (early days yet) that when it fails to open the connection = to >> an NNTP server, it stops retrieving news and I have to hit 'g' again= to >> get the counts etc. updated for other servers. But much better than >> waiting forever. Bob> Interestingly (to me at least!) is that I rarely encounter a Bob> hang while fetching, although at times it can be terribly Bob> slow--- I fetch via IMAP and just from gmail, and I blame gmail Bob> for this for the most part. gmail IMAP can be excruciatingly slow. One mitigation is to set gmail=CA=BCs imap folder size limit to something less than infinity (I use 1000). But I don=CA=BCt fetch from gmail to local, I leave everything on google=CA=BCs servers. Bob> But what I do encounter from time to time is a hang when Bob> sending. I'll wait, press ctrl-g, and find the email has been Bob> sent, but control was never returned. This is with SMTP via Bob> msmtp. I've never tried to track it down as it isn't frequent Bob> enough to be more than a small nuisance. I think there=CA=BCs been some work in this area in emacs-29 and/or emacs master to make the code more robust. You could try using emacs=CA=BCs direct SMTP support, but that might not be a small change in your setup. Robert --=20