From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/6969 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andrzej Adam Filip Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: Old messages missing on the present newsgroup Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Organization: It is for me to know and for you to find out Message-ID: <87slownfqt.fsf@anfi.homeunix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143996039 25287 80.91.229.2 (2 Apr 2006 16:40:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 02 18:40:36 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQ5cm-0006g4-Rg for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:40:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FQ5cl-00088T-Nk for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 12:40:23 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.pionier.net.pl!newsfeed.gazeta.pl!news.onet.pl!anfi.homeunix.net!news Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-Lines: 40 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: aati215.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl Original-X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1143992765 12514 83.5.246.215 (2 Apr 2006 15:46:05 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.onet.pl Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 15:46:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender: Z5eCb3699O8VQxQvOlTjlcI2Fg5tNHaQ X-Face: )V+J7*V`l2)=wsX|pb6Qg%ioX5>vcNqxcg]/Kivay8WE+0P=En'SxET*n-3$K#jI,Jf9p4\MBYHXW%jV Cancel-Lock: sha1:clQ/eoFTNqJiIGT8xk+UaSSymn0= X-Home-Page: http://anfi.homeunix.net/ Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.gnus:77152 Original-To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:6969 Archived-At: David Z Maze writes: > Rodolfo Medina writes: > >> Some old messages sent to the present newsgroup >> are not accessible, it seems, if I search for them via >> nntp server, whereas they're seen through web interface >> and also in the archives of the info-gnus-english@gnu.org mailing list. >> How come? > > Because even just "current" news is a huge disk space and bandwidth > consumer, so it's standard practice for news servers to only keep > around a small amount of recent history (maybe the past month) and > expire articles beyond that. If you have infinite disk space and > bandwidth than it's reasonable to archive all of Usenet (hi, Google > Groups); if you're only archiving a specific group than the > requirements become much more reasonable. > > I know you can use Gnus to preserve specific articles, and you can > probably combine an nntp group and a Web archive for historical > purposes, but I don't know details on either off hand. > >> Maybe there are some other nntp servers to read the present newsgroup, >> besides news.gmane.org and news.gnus.org? > > gnu.emacs.gnus is "a normal Usenet group" (in a way that gmane groups > generally aren't) and so any Usenet server that carries the gnu.* > hierarchy would have it. (I'm reading on news.mit.edu, but you > generally need to be inside MIT's network to use it.) Take a look at the group archive: http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.gnus/msg/45694c47fa0b026a subject: backfill of usenet postings The post quotes: info "(gnus)Finding the Parent" -- [pl2en Andrew] Andrzej Adam Filip : anfi@priv.onet.pl : anfi@xl.wp.pl http://anfi.homeunix.net/