Re: Gnusbie questions?

Re: Gnusbie questions?

[Vasily Korytov]

>>>>> "RVM" == Richard V Molen writes:

 RVM> Perhaps, I've been the victim of 'just trying to get a quick
 RVM> start'.

You're lucky, you got so far. First time I saw Emacs (that was GNU Emacs
19.3x, I believe) it seemed to me an editor with unusable defaults. =))
Well, things are going more user-friendly and that's good.

But anyway, I think, Gnus manual is worth reading.

 RVM> However, the documentation can be difficult reading
 RVM> because I am not familiar with the some of the terminology. For
 RVM> instance, I thought that gnus left the mail on the server instead
 RVM> of downloading it to my hard drive. But I guess "fetching mail"
 RVM> means to download it rather than 'show me it to me, but leave it
 RVM> on the server.'

``Fetching mail'' means getting it, I believe.

 RVM> I want the mail to be left on the server.

Frankly, I don't know, it's possible with Gnus (I don't use similar
functinality at all, so I mostly ignore related threads). But you surely
can use a different utility to download mail (say, fetchmail+procmail
combo IMHO should work under Cygwin) to a place, where Gnus can read it.

Maybe you should search the archives of this newsgroup for the answer,
how to accompish it.

 RVM> Perhaps you are right, but on my WinNT box running Emacs 21.2 
 RVM> C-h v gnus-inhibit-startup-message <ret> gives me...

 RVM> gnus-inhibit-startup-message's value is t

 RVM> Documentation:
 RVM> not documented as a variable.

Probably, your Gnus is not yet loaded. Start Gnus and try again. On my
system it's as follows:

,----[ C-h v gnus-inhibit-startup-message RET ]
| `gnus-inhibit-startup-message' is a variable declared in Lisp.
|   -- loaded from "gnus"
| 
| Value: nil
| 
| Documentation:
| If non-nil, the startup message will not be displayed.
| This variable is used before `.gnus.el' is loaded, so it should
| be set in `.emacs' instead.
`----

 RVM> Vasily, thanks for your response.

You're always welcome! =))

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                     With respect, Vasily Korytov

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Re: Gnusbie questions?

[Vasily Korytov]

>>>>> "RVM" == Richard V Molen writes:

 RVM> But how does mail-sources settings affect nnmail settings?

 RVM> (setq 
 RVM> nnmail-spool-file "po:loginname" ;Login 
 RVM> nnmail-pop-password-required t    ;Password
 RVM> mail-host-address "pop3server.isp.com"  ;Incoming mail
 RVM> )

I think, you don't need any of these anymore. Try to comment them all
out.

Probably, the quoted above variables make Gnus using movemail (a
separate executable; that one was asking you a password =), not its
native facilities for POP3 (I think, there's no reason of using the
first one, except for, maybe, speed -- but on modern machines it doesn't
matter), but I'm not sure.

 >> Maybe you should search the archives of this newsgroup for the answer,
 >> how to accompish it.

 RVM> I guess that's next, I've found some stuff at

 RVM> www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/big.html   NTEmacs FAQ
 RVM> www.ccs.neu.edu/software/contrib/gnus/        gnus FAQ
 RVM> my.gnus.org/                                  for Gnus newbies

 RVM> Maybe 'google'ing or 'kibozing'?

Yes. Google (the successor of dejanews) keeps a nice archive. So, you
can search this group for ``keep mail on pop server'' or whatever.
Usenet is a valuable source of information, so I consider its archives a
very good thing. =))

 RVM> Apparently, to keep stuff on the server I must setup to use RMAIL
 RVM> or VM?

I don't use any of these, so I can't definitely say. I can definitely
say, that in the Unix world (I think, that's still the main developement
area of Emacs in general and Gnus and VM specifically; As for RMAIL -- I
think, it's an older thingie) POP mail fetching is often considered to
be a buisiness of a separate program, not mail reader's.

Good examples of fetching programs are fetchmail (former popclient) and
gwpop. First one runs under Windows, but only in environment called
Cygwin -- kinda Un*x emulator; second one is written in Perl and IMHO
it's worth looking at, but I've never used it, so I cannot tell much
here.

I don't say, it's the only way to fetch your mail from POP servers, but
you can surely try this, if Gnus does not support leaving mail on
servers (sorry again, I don't know it and quick search on docs gave
nothing).

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                     With respect, Vasily Korytov

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