message auto-saving?

message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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Hello,

I just had emacs crash, and I could recover almost all my files using
their last autosave, with one exception: the email I was writing. Do I
need to configure something to have emails being written autosaved?

Thanks,

Alan

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Peter Münster]

On Thu, Mar 24 2016, Alan Schmitt wrote:

> I just had emacs crash, and I could recover almost all my files using
> their last autosave, with one exception: the email I was writing.

It was not in ~/News/drafts/drafts ?


> Do I need to configure something to have emails being written
> autosaved?

You could decrease auto-save-timeout and/or auto-save-interval.

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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On 2016-03-24 10:51, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> writes:

> On Thu, Mar 24 2016, Alan Schmitt wrote:
>
>> I just had emacs crash, and I could recover almost all my files using
>> their last autosave, with one exception: the email I was writing.
>
> It was not in ~/News/drafts/drafts ?

No, there was nothing there. I just waited until I save the "autosave"
message for this current message, and I cannot find where this has been
saved … I also looked into ~/Mail/drafts, which is where
`message-auto-save-directory' points to, but it is not there. (The
docstring for that variable says that this is the buffer where messages
are saved if Gnus is not running, but I don't know where to look if Gnus
is running.)

Is there an equivalent of `message-auto-save-directory' for gnus?

>> Do I need to configure something to have emails being written
>> autosaved?
>
> You could decrease auto-save-timeout and/or auto-save-interval.

Yes, I'll do this once I can find where the messages are saved. Thank
you for the suggestion!

Alan

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes:

> On 2016-03-24 10:51, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Mar 24 2016, Alan Schmitt wrote:
>>
>>> I just had emacs crash, and I could recover almost all my files using
>>> their last autosave, with one exception: the email I was writing.
>>
>> It was not in ~/News/drafts/drafts ?
>
> No, there was nothing there. I just waited until I save the "autosave"
> message for this current message, and I cannot find where this has been
> saved … I also looked into ~/Mail/drafts, which is where
> `message-auto-save-directory' points to, but it is not there. (The
> docstring for that variable says that this is the buffer where messages
> are saved if Gnus is not running, but I don't know where to look if Gnus
> is running.)
>
> Is there an equivalent of `message-auto-save-directory' for gnus?

Take a look at the `gnus-home-directory' and `gnus-directory' variables.
I don't know why there are two of those. In my case, I've got this set:

(setq gnus-home-directory "~/.emacs.d")

And my drafts are therefore found under
"~/.emacs.d/News/drafts/drafts/".

Hope that's helpful.


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Re: message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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On 2016-03-24 12:39, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

>> Is there an equivalent of `message-auto-save-directory' for gnus?
>
> Take a look at the `gnus-home-directory' and `gnus-directory' variables.
> I don't know why there are two of those. In my case, I've got this set:
>
> (setq gnus-home-directory "~/.emacs.d")
>
> And my drafts are therefore found under
> "~/.emacs.d/News/drafts/drafts/".
>
> Hope that's helpful.

Thank you for the hint. Unfortunately they are respectively set to "~/"
and "~/News", but I cannot find any message there :(

I could try to debug auto-saving, but it seems to be in C code, so I
don't know how to proceed.

Alan

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thursday, 24 Mar 2016 at 11:18, Alan Schmitt wrote:
> No, there was nothing there. I just waited until I save the "autosave"
> message for this current message, and I cannot find where this has been
> saved … I also looked into ~/Mail/drafts, which is where

Assuming you are using a unix variant, try the following

On shell:
$ cd
$ touch xxx    (some file name that is unique)

Now start composing an email and wait for auto-save to kick in.

Back in shell:

$ find . -newer xxx

and see what it reports.

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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Hello Eric,

On 2016-03-24 15:01, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Thursday, 24 Mar 2016 at 11:18, Alan Schmitt wrote:
>> No, there was nothing there. I just waited until I save the "autosave"
>> message for this current message, and I cannot find where this has been
>> saved … I also looked into ~/Mail/drafts, which is where
>
> Assuming you are using a unix variant, try the following
>
> On shell:
> $ cd
> $ touch xxx    (some file name that is unique)
>
> Now start composing an email and wait for auto-save to kick in.
>
> Back in shell:
>
> $ find . -newer xxx
>
> and see what it reports.

Great idea! I've found it. It's in ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I
would never have thought to look there.

Thanks a lot!

Alan

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Eric Abrahamsen]

Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes:

> Hello Eric,
>
> On 2016-03-24 15:01, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>> On Thursday, 24 Mar 2016 at 11:18, Alan Schmitt wrote:
>>> No, there was nothing there. I just waited until I save the "autosave"
>>> message for this current message, and I cannot find where this has been
>>> saved … I also looked into ~/Mail/drafts, which is where
>>
>> Assuming you are using a unix variant, try the following
>>
>> On shell:
>> $ cd
>> $ touch xxx    (some file name that is unique)
>>
>> Now start composing an email and wait for auto-save to kick in.
>>
>> Back in shell:
>>
>> $ find . -newer xxx
>>
>> and see what it reports.
>
> Great idea! I've found it. It's in ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I
> would never have thought to look there.

But more importantly, Gnus should know to look there!


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Re: message auto-saving?

[Eric S Fraga]

On Thursday, 24 Mar 2016 at 23:04, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
> Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes:

[...]

>> Great idea! I've found it. It's in ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I
>> would never have thought to look there.
>
> But more importantly, Gnus should know to look there!

And what a strange place for auto-save files to end up?  It's definitely
not a default that I can find on my system...

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Emanuel Berg]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

>>> Great idea! I've found it. It's in
>>> ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I would never have
>>> thought to look there.
>>
>> But more importantly, Gnus should know to
>> look there!
>
> And what a strange place for auto-save files to end
> up? It's definitely not a default that I can find on
> my system...

On my system, .emacs isn't even a directory but
a file.

To the OP: what system do you use? and did you
configure it? were you able to replicate this
situation using 'emacs -Q' or otherwise running it
with a minimum of inits?

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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On 2016-03-24 19:55, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
>>>> Great idea! I've found it. It's in
>>>> ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I would never have
>>>> thought to look there.
>>>
>>> But more importantly, Gnus should know to
>>> look there!
>>
>> And what a strange place for auto-save files to end
>> up? It's definitely not a default that I can find on
>> my system...
>
> On my system, .emacs isn't even a directory but
> a file.

Sorry, I should had copied and pasted the path, instead of doing it by
hand. It's in .emacs.d/.cache/…

> To the OP: what system do you use? and did you
> configure it? were you able to replicate this
> situation using 'emacs -Q' or otherwise running it
> with a minimum of inits?

I guess this is the point where I admit I've been using Spacemacs for
the last few weeks. Looking at its code, I see that it is setting
`auto-save-list-file-prefix' to that place (with the exception of the
"site" suffix).

Thanks again to everyone,

Alan

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Emanuel Berg]

Alan Schmitt <alan.schmitt@polytechnique.org> writes:

>> Assuming you are using a unix variant, try the
>> following On shell: $ cd $ touch xxx (some file
>> name that is unique) Now start composing an email
>> and wait for auto-save to kick in. Back in shell: $
>> find . -newer xxx and see what it reports.
>
> Great idea!

Indeed, very impressive :)

> I've found it. It's in
> ~/.emacs/.cache/auto-save/site. I would never have
> thought to look there.

If you do `C-h a gnus directory RET' you get a couple
of Gnus directories to examine. Many, actually.

Is it `gnus-cache-directory', perhaps?

If you don't find it that way, do the search the
opposite direction, with `apropos-value' (I have that
`C-h V' but it isn't shortcutted by default).
Then enter the path or parts of it.

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Re: message auto-saving?

[Alan Schmitt]

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On 2016-03-24 19:52, Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> If you do `C-h a gnus directory RET' you get a couple
> of Gnus directories to examine. Many, actually.
>
> Is it `gnus-cache-directory', perhaps?

No, this points to ~/News/cache

> If you don't find it that way, do the search the
> opposite direction, with `apropos-value' (I have that
> `C-h V' but it isn't shortcutted by default).
> Then enter the path or parts of it.

Great tip, thanks! I think one variable on interest is
`auto-save-file-name-transforms' which transforms the auto saving path
to that one.

Thanks again,

Alan

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