html message is not dislayed

html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

I receive HTML message which are not displayed by GNUS, I hesitate to
forward them, since gnus complains the lines are longer than 79 chars,
which is odd since it is a forward message.

The message in question contains tables does that cause problems for
gnus 

Uwe Brauer 

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Slackrat]

Uwe Brauer a écrit profondement:

| I receive HTML message which are not displayed by GNUS, I hesitate to
| forward them, since gnus complains the lines are longer than 79 chars,
| which is odd since it is a forward message.
| 
| The message in question contains tables does that cause problems for
| gnus 
| 

Well there has been a lot of discussion of html here the last few
days. 

See if you can download the last few days postings

Failing that, save the message and load it into a browser

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

>>>>> "Slackrat" == Slackrat  <gnus4Q@azurservers.com> writes:
   > | 

   > Well there has been a lot of discussion of html here the last few
   > days. 

   > See if you can download the last few days postings

   > Failing that, save the message and load it into a browser

Well I tried out all possible values for 
 mm-text-html-renderer  without any result.

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Reiner Steib]

On Wed, Jan 23 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:

>>>>>> "Slackrat" == Slackrat  <gnus4Q@azurservers.com> writes:
>    > Failing that, save the message and load it into a browser
>
> Well I tried out all possible values for mm-text-html-renderer

Did you really try (setq mm-text-html-renderer nil) as well?

> without any result.

Send a reproducible test case and a recipe.  Describe in detail what
"without any result" means.

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

   > Did you really try (setq mm-text-html-renderer nil) as well?



In which case it would use an external viewer, which is not really
what I want, since then I could use seamonkey and the like any how.


   >> without any result.

   > Send a reproducible test case and a recipe.  Describe in detail what
   > "without any result" means.
Ok in this case I think screenshots say more than 1000 words
I attach in my next post 2 screenshots the gnus one (almost empty) and
the one using seamonkey.

Uwe 

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Reiner Steib]

On Thu, Jan 24 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:

>>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
>    >> without any result.
>
>    > Send a reproducible test case and a recipe.  Describe in detail what
>    > "without any result" means.
> Ok in this case I think screenshots say more than 1000 words
> I attach in my next post 2 screenshots the gnus one (almost empty) and
> the one using seamonkey.

The screen shots show the result.  But without sending us the
(anonymized?) HTML mail, I don't think anyone can help.

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Anton Kulchitsky]

Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

>> Ok in this case I think screenshots say more than 1000 words
>> I attach in my next post 2 screenshots the gnus one (almost empty) and
>> the one using seamonkey.
>
> The screen shots show the result.  But without sending us the
> (anonymized?) HTML mail, I don't think anyone can help.

That seems I did not get that screenshot somehow. What there a
message? Sorry if there was one...

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

   > On Thu, Jan 24 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:
   >>>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
   >> >> without any result.
   >> 
   >> > Send a reproducible test case and a recipe.  Describe in detail what
   >> > "without any result" means.
   >> Ok in this case I think screenshots say more than 1000 words
   >> I attach in my next post 2 screenshots the gnus one (almost empty) and
   >> the one using seamonkey.

   > The screen shots show the result.  But without sending us the
   > (anonymized?) HTML mail, I don't think anyone can help.


Well I thought of forwarding that mail but I receive a complain lines
longer than 79 chars and I was afraid that the format might be broken
I try to save the message and send it as an attachment. If you have
any better suggestion please let me know.

Uwe 

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

[-- Attachment #1.1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 249 bytes --]

>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

   > The screen shots show the result.  But without sending us the
   > (anonymized?) HTML mail, I don't think anyone can help.

I hope this can be read:
I send it in two formats.


[-- Attachment #1.1.2: [[postsubject]] (3).eml --]
[-- Type: message/rfc822, Size: 6672 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #1.1.2.1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 24 bytes --]


[[postsubject]]:



[-- Attachment #1.1.2.1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 4681 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #1.1.3: [[postsubject]] (3).eml --]
[-- Type: text/html, Size: 6672 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #1.2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 306 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 161 bytes --]

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, Jan 25 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:

> Well I thought of forwarding that mail but I receive a complain lines
> longer than 79 chars and I was afraid that the format might be broken
> I try to save the message and send it as an attachment. If you have
> any better suggestion please let me know.

Probably, the least error prone way is to use
`gnus-summary-save-article-mail' ([1], C-o, O m, <menu-bar> <Article>
<Output> <Save in Unix mail format...>), gzip the resulting file and
send it as attachment.  Other user can save it to disk and open it
e.g. using `G f' or `G M'.

[1] If you use nnml or have file system access to your IMAP server
    (assuming it is using a one-file-per-message format), you can skip
    saving to mbox file, of course.

> I hope this can be read:
> I send it in two formats.

Here's what I did and got:

- C-d (`gnus-summary-enter-digest-group') parses your message fine,
  and I get:

  | Uwe Brauer            <* mixed> Re: html message is not dislayed
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.* signed>
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.1.* mixed>
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.1.1 text>
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.1.2 rfc822>
  | MiCampus              <1.1.2.* alternative> [[postsubject]] (3)
  | MiCampus              <1.1.2.1 text>
  | MiCampus              <1.1.2.2 html>
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.1.3 html>
  | Uwe Brauer            <1.2 pgp-signature>
  | Uwe Brauer            <2 text>

- On "<1.1.2.* alternative> [[postsubject]] (3)" I hit `g' and get
  (Because I have configure Gnus to prefer and display text/plain, but
  add buttons to choose the text/html alternative):

,----
| From: MiCampus <...>
| Subject: [[postsubject]] (3)
| To: Uwe Brauer <...>
| Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:30:02 +0100
| Message-id: <4c7961f2b8ac93c010464a2dd0c8c354@localhost.localdomain>
| 
| 1.  (*) text/plain          ( ) text/html           
| 
| [[postsubject]]:
| 
`----

Looking at the raw text (`C-u g') confirms that the text alternative
is in fact only "[[postsubject]]:" plus empty lines:

,----
| --b1_4c7961f2b8ac93c010464a2dd0c8c354
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset = "UTF-8"
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
| 
| 
| [[postsubject]]:
| 
| 
`----

So you screen shot (gnus-campus.png) in
<news:87myqvd3hj.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es> suggests that you have configured
Gnus to prefer the text/plain part over text/html.  See (info
"(emacs-mime)Display Customization") for relevant options.

- When I choose the text/html part using the button or by selecting
  "<1.1.2.2 html>", I get:

,----
| From: MiCampus <...>
| Subject: [[postsubject]] (3)
| To: Uwe Brauer <...>
| Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:30:02 +0100
| Message-id: <4c7961f2b8ac93c010464a2dd0c8c354@localhost.localdomain>
| 
| 1.  ( ) text/plain          (*) text/html           
| 
| [icon]   Correo interno: Campus Virtual de la Universidad Complutense de      
| Madrid                                                                        
| 
|     [course] Campus Virtual de la Universidad Complutense de Madrid           
| 
| Asunto                             De                    Fecha                
| [...]
`----

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

   > Here's what I did and got:

Thanks for your detailed answer.
   > - C-d (`gnus-summary-enter-digest-group') parses your message fine,
   >   and I get:


   >   | Uwe Brauer            <* mixed> Re: html message is not dislayed
   >   | Uwe Brauer            <1.* signed>
   >   | Uwe Brauer            <1.1.* mixed>

[snip]

That is how I would like to see it
   > - On "<1.1.2.* alternative> [[postsubject]] (3)" I hit `g' and get
   >   (Because I have configure Gnus to prefer and display text/plain, but
   >   add buttons to choose the text/html alternative):

How do you do this, that is the way I would prefer to have things.

My lines are 
(eval-after-load "mm-decode"
 '(progn 
      (add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/html")
      (add-to-list 'mm-discouraged-alternatives "text/richtext")))


   > So you screen shot (gnus-campus.png) in
   > <news:87myqvd3hj.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es> suggests that you have configured
   > Gnus to prefer the text/plain part over text/html.  See (info
   > "(emacs-mime)Display Customization") for relevant options.

That documentation is huge and for me it is not easy to find out the
necessary parameters, could you just tell me your configuration?

thanks

Uwe 

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Reiner Steib]

On Sun, Jan 27 2008, Uwe Brauer wrote:

>>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
> That is how I would like to see it
>    > - On "<1.1.2.* alternative> [[postsubject]] (3)" I hit `g' and get
>    >   (Because I have configure Gnus to prefer and display text/plain, but
>    >   add buttons to choose the text/html alternative):
[...]
> That documentation is huge and for me it is not easy to find out the
> necessary parameters, 

I agree and I'd like to change the relevant defaults to the most
suitable values.  But it's hard to figure out what most people find
useful.

> could you just tell me your configuration?

I intended to do this, but I forgot.  Here we go:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(require 'mm-decode)
(setq
 ;; Discourage HTML, enriched or image (image spam):
 mm-discouraged-alternatives
 '("text/html" "text/richtext" "text/enriched" "multipart/related"
   "image/.*")
 ;; Display choice buttons for alternatives (suggested by Katsumi Yamaoka) and
 ;; signed messages:
 gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/alternative" ".*/signed")
 ;; Don't render HTML automatically:
 mm-automatic-display (remove "text/html" mm-automatic-display)
 ;; Render HTML with w3m
 mm-text-html-renderer 'w3m
 ;; Use wget instead of `url.el' (for nnweb-type google), cause it seems to
 ;; work more reliable for me.
 mm-url-use-external t)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

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Re: html message is not dislayed

[Uwe Brauer]

>>>>> "Reiner" == Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

   > I intended to do this, but I forgot.  Here we go:

   > (require 'mm-decode)

[snip]

Thanks for your setting however I do not see what you see (no gnus
v0.6)
I see 
C-d
 . 1 [ MiCampus            ] Uwe Brauer <uwe_brauer@  
 .     2 [ MiCampus            ] Uwe Brauer <uwe_brauer@ 
 .     3 [ MiCampus            ] Uwe Brauer <uwe_brauer@ 


The first shows:

1.  (*) text/plain          ( ) text/html           


[[postsubject]]:

The second:

[[postsubject]]:

The third:


[1. text/html]

<p><font face="sans-serif"><table width="100%"><tr><td bgcolor=><img
src="http://cv2.sim.ucm.es/moodle/mod/internalmail/icon.gif"
align="absmiddle"> <a
href="http://cv2.sim.ucm.es/moodle/course/view.php?id=1">Correo
interno: Campus Virtual de la Universidad Complutens

Etc etc


Hitting 'g' did not help in any place.

So I am wondering whether the problem has to do with Xemacs (21.4.19
Mule) or with the gnus version.

I tried to use a more recent version but could not send even messages,
by bug report never got answered, so I stick with that version

Uwe 

Re: html message is not dislayed

[Giorgos Keramidas]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:04:25 +0100, Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> wrote:
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (setq
>  ;; Discourage HTML, enriched or image (image spam):
>  mm-discouraged-alternatives
>  '("text/html" "text/richtext" "text/enriched" "multipart/related"
>    "image/.*")
>  ;; Display choice buttons for alternatives (suggested by Katsumi Yamaoka) and
>  ;; signed messages:
>  gnus-buttonized-mime-types '("multipart/alternative" ".*/signed"))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Hi Reiner,

I was looking for something like this, and I happened to stumble upon it
by reading old gnu.emacs.gnus posts.  Thanks for the suggestion to add
"multipart/alternative" to the buttonized types! :)

After seeing this *and* rereading the manual, I noticed it's already one
of the suggestions:

,-----------------------------------------------------------------------
| `gnus-buttonized-mime-types'
|      [...]
|      You could also add `"multipart/alternative"' to this list to
|      display radio buttons that allow you to choose one of two media
|      types those mails include.  [...]
`-----------------------------------------------------------------------

It's amazing how many things *are* documented already, but are easy to
miss when just skimming through the manual :)