Re: Locked out of nndraft

Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> If you don't byte compile Gnus this happens, I think.  Did you byte
> compile Gnus?

I don't think so - I selected gnus from the debian woody packages sand
let apt-get/dselect install it.

If it was an install time problem would not the lock-out be there from
the start, instead of working fine for a while and then presenting me
wit the "*"?

Keith
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Karl Kleinpaste <karl@charcoal.com> writes:

> Freakish.
        Not a reassuring opening line!

> Well, try this: In *Group*, on the drafts group, do `G E', which will
> offer you editing of everything known about the drafts group.  It
> should be very simple, approximately:

> ("nndraft:drafts" 1 nil nil
>  (nndraft "")
>  ((gnus-dummy
>    (gnus-draft-mode))))

This is exactly what I got
;;; Editing the group info for `nndraft:drafts'.
;; Type `C-c C-c' after you've finished editing.

("nndraft:drafts" 1 nil nil
 (nndraft "")
 ((gnus-dummy
   (gnus-draft-mode))))

> If that's not how it looks, then something is very weird indeed.  (Get
> back out of `G E' with `C-c C-c'.)
> 
> Try entering the server buffer with `^'.  Go to the nndraft server,
> and attempt to open it with `O'.  If it errors out, try getting a
> stack trace for us to look at again, as you did this time.

When I user "^", I got this

     {nnfolder:archive} (closed)
     {nndraft:} (opened)
     {nnml:} (opened)
     {nntp:news-text.blueyonder.co.uk} (opened)

When I use "O" the box beeps at me, so I think that I am not doing
what you want and I may have misunderstood you.
 
>                                               .....but I'd rather not
> have to suggest that you upgrade before figuring out why you're having
> this trouble right now.

I am also loath to upgrade outside the Debian Woody packages. My
newness is an all round thing, and I want stable and when I need help
with something else, I can say the box is exclusivly Debian stable and
any problem lies within that sphere.

Keith.
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> Then it should be byte compiled, I think.

OK. I am not sure what this entails as I was under the impression that
by keeping both "within" and "up-to-date" with Woody that all the
pieces would all fit together.

If it comes to byte-compiling, what shoud I be reading first to make
sure I am understanding what I am doing and why?

It always amazes me how much I enjoy having problems. They are always
the times I learn the most :-)

Keith
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Kai Großjohann]

Keith O'Connell <keith_oconnell@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

> Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
>
>> Maybe if you `G DEL' the group instead of C-k?
>
>         G DEL gives a beep, and 'G Delcharacter' on the status line. I
>         need a little more clarification on tat one

Hm.  `G <backspace>' or `G <delete>', perhaps?

>> What does ~/News/drafts/drafts look like?
>
>         It appears to be not out of the ordinarry
>          1: the structure is ~/News/drafts/drafts
>          2: the owner group is keith.keith
>          3: the mods on the directories are 755 all the way down

Is it empty?  If not, what's in it?

kai
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> What if you create a draft (start edit a message and save it to
> drafts) and then look for new mail?  Maybe the nndraft folder cannot
> be entered because it is empty.

OK I did that, and the message was saved, but the "*" persists after
the search for new mail.......

    .....however, 2 things struck me when I looked in the folder

        1: there was no .overview file created as there is with mail
           messages. Is this normal?
        2: the message was saved with the file name "14", wheras I
           would have expected to see the filename "1". Is there an
           index ofthis folder somewhere, and could the problem be the
           wherabouts of messages "1-13"?

I'm just dying to know the solution!

Keith.
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> > There are no files in "~/News/drafts/drafts/" or "~/News/drafts/", but
> > there are articles saved in to ~/News which appears to be the default
> > location for article save with C-o, but even with those articles
> > deleted, the problem persists.
> 
> So it's empty.  What happens when you starting composing a message,
> then hit C-c C-d?

It saves the article into ~/News/dreaft/drafts with the next number as
the file name, but it is *still* has "*" against it in the Groups menu

>  What happens if you then do M-g on the group name in the  group
> buffer and then try to enter the group?

I get "nndrafts: draft error:" in the status mini-buffer

I think I mentioned something in another mesage in this thread that I
was hoping for a comment on, so I shall re-state them here

    .....however, 2 things struck me when I looked in the folder

        1: there was no .overview file created as there is with mail
           messages. Is this normal?
        2: the message was saved with the file name "14", wheras I
           would have expected to see the filename "1". Is there an
           index ofthis folder somewhere, and could the problem be the
           wherabouts of messages "1-13"?

Keith.
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Kai Großjohann]

Keith O'Connell <keith_oconnell@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:

> Is that a "Whee" derived from the joy of enlightenment, or are we
> still in the dark here?

I'm still in the dark.  I have no idea what might be going wrong.

kai
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:

> I'm still in the dark.  I have no idea what might be going wrong.

Well, in order to confuse matters a little further, for no discernible
reason *another* flaw has appeared. I am aware of changing nothing
since yesterday, but regrettably the space bar is misbehaving!

When in "Groups" the space bar takes me into the group and through
the messages, when one group has no more unread messages, it moves you
on to the next group, and so no. That was yesterday

Today when the last message in a group is read the mini-buffer
displays "No more unread messages". It does not change to the next
group. It is not the end of the world, but it is wrong, and nothing I
am aware of has changed since yesterday when it was working as
advertised!

I mention it here in case the two problems are symptoms of something
else. I really don't like that it does different things on different
days. Your thoughts?

Keith
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Keith O'Connell]

Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:

> Keith O'Connell <keith_oconnell@blueyonder.co.uk> writes:
> Does debian provide a standalone Gnus package which is used for
> emacs21?  Why?  That seems like a bad idea.

No. Debian supply gnus as emacs 20 is also part of the stable
distribution and as it wasnt advised against, I assumed I needed gnus,
so I downloaded it. That consequently took presedence over the gnues
that is internal to emacs21

Keith
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Re: Locked out of nndraft

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:


 Simon> Looking at my own system, I see that emacs21 uses gnus 5.8.8. I didn't
 Simon> conciously install any gnus package, so I guess it was added on a
 Simon> recomendation by some other package.  Hm.

	There was a glitch back when woody was still unstable, and the
 stand alone Gnus on Debian would install (and supersede the native
 5.9.0) on emacs21. Later versions of Gnus on Debian do not install
 for emacs21 (but would for emacs20 if you had both emacs20 and
 emacs21 on the same machine).

	I have not personally encountered situations (and I have both
 emacs20 and emacs21 on a machine for testing upgrades) where the
 Debian Gnus messed up. I would go back and look at the code again. 

	manoj
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