* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
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2002-05-26 0:21 ` Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs? Reiner Steib
@ 2002-05-26 19:32 ` Simon Josefsson
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[not found] ` <bobu1ovsv2y.fsf@gis.net>
2002-05-27 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-26 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes:
> Hi.
>
> I have two different ISPs A and B and I want to access them with
> only one Gnus (i.e., with only one .newsrc.eld etc.) as follows:
>
> - completely disconnected from A and B
> - connected to A, disconnected from B
> - connected to B, disconnected from A
>
> where "disconnected" means "disconnected and agentized".
>
> Is that currently possible? Any plans to implement something
> like that? Any alternative approaches?
Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server
buffer.
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
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@ 2002-05-27 4:20 ` Paul Jarc
2002-05-27 5:21 ` Bob Babcock
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From: Paul Jarc @ 2002-05-27 4:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Bob Babcock <wssddc@gis.net> wrote:
>> Why not just use a secondary or foreign server?
>
> I couldn't tell from the info files what happens if you read the same
> newsgroup from different servers.
They're kept completely separate. Reading an article on one server
does not cause the article to be marked as read on the other.
> Separating the setup as much as possible seems to me to be the most
> natural way to handle multiple servers.
Right. Toggling the definition of gnus-select-method makes them less
separate than having one as the primary and the other as secondary or
foreign (or both secondary or foreign). I wouldn't be at all
surprised if toggling the definition of gnus-select-method made
something break, especially if the servers' article numbers aren't
synchronized.
paul
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
2002-05-27 4:20 ` Paul Jarc
@ 2002-05-27 5:21 ` Bob Babcock
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From: Bob Babcock @ 2002-05-27 5:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
> I wouldn't be at all surprised if toggling the definition of
> gnus-select-method made something break, especially if the servers' article
> numbers aren't synchronized.
It seems pretty robust; I've been using this method for handling multiple
servers for a while without problems. But perhaps I'm asking for trouble by
not using gnus the way the authors expect.
I also change gnus-select-method to deal with my isp's 6 synchronized news
servers when some of them are down or overloaded. Here I want articles
marked as read on one server to be marked on all the others, so I change
gnus-select-method after .newsrc-servername has been read. Amazingly I seem
to be able to mostly get away with doing this. I do get "wrong type
argument: processp, nil" errors when a server rejects a connection. Someday
I'll figure out how to use the elisp debugger and see where these come from.
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
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@ 2002-05-27 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt
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From: Jens Schmidt @ 2002-05-27 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Thanks to all posters for their advice.
I should have added that the information I get from ISP A and ISP
B is disjoint: I get my office mail via IMAP from ISP A, my
private mail via POP from ISP B (and probably in future my news
from ISP C because the news server at our office sucks and I do not
want use Google when there is Gnus).
Is that scenario so unusual that nobody stumbled across it in the
past?
Jens
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
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@ 2002-05-27 15:07 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt
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From: Simon Josefsson @ 2002-05-27 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes:
> Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> wrote:
>> Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server
>> buffer.
>
> But that does not give me offline reading of articles for the
> disconnected servers, right?
If you use the Agent and downloads messages before disconnecting; yes,
it would.
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
2002-05-27 15:07 ` Simon Josefsson
@ 2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt
2002-05-28 15:28 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Jens Schmidt @ 2002-05-28 8:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
> Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes:
>
> > Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> wrote:
> >> Add both servers in g-s-s-m and frob the connectedness in the server
> >> buffer.
> >
> > But that does not give me offline reading of articles for the
> > disconnected servers, right?
>
> If you use the Agent and downloads messages before disconnecting; yes,
> it would.
Ok, then let me fill in the details to see whether the following
scenario is correct:
o I keep servers for ISP A and ISP B in g-s-s-m and agentize the
groups belonging to both of them.
o I connect to, say, ISP A and start Gnus plugged. Since I am
not connected to ISP B I will have wait for the timeout to kick
in to get my Group-buffer (on my NT box I haven't been
successfull with C-g to cancel the connection process for an
absent server). That's, um, a little bit annoying.
o I do a J s and get the articles saved for ISP A.
o I close ISP A in the server buffer, disconnect from ISP A and
connect to ISP B, follwed by "O" in the server buffer to force
an open for the server of ISP B.
o (Note that I haven't unplugged the agent so far.) Now, I can
automagically access the groups from ISP A through the agent?!
I thought the agent "redirects" group access in unplugged mode
only? Or do I have to disconnect from ISP B, too, and unplug
Gnus to access all articles? That would be even more annoying
in my case, since im connected to ISP B most of the time, anyway.
Thanks for your help,
Jens
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
2002-05-28 8:09 ` Jens Schmidt
@ 2002-05-28 15:28 ` Kai Großjohann
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From: Kai Großjohann @ 2002-05-28 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
Jens.Schmidt27@epost.de (Jens Schmidt) writes:
> o I connect to, say, ISP A and start Gnus plugged. Since I am
> not connected to ISP B I will have wait for the timeout to kick
> in to get my Group-buffer (on my NT box I haven't been
> successfull with C-g to cancel the connection process for an
> absent server). That's, um, a little bit annoying.
You could start Gnus unplugged. Then plug, and fetch the groups from
the servers you can reach.
kai
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* Re: Can Gnus handle multiple ISPs?
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@ 2002-05-26 0:21 ` Reiner Steib
2002-05-26 19:32 ` Simon Josefsson
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From: Reiner Steib @ 2002-05-26 0:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Sat, May 25 2002, Jens Schmidt wrote:
> I have two different ISPs A and B and I want to access them with
> only one Gnus (i.e., with only one .newsrc.eld etc.) as follows:
>
> - completely disconnected from A and B
> - connected to A, disconnected from B
> - connected to B, disconnected from A
[...]
> Is that currently possible? Any plans to implement something
> like that? Any alternative approaches?
Set up a simple local news on your machine (leafnode for Unix/Linux or
Hamster for Windows) and let them fetch from both, ISP-A and ISP-B. At
least leafnode just skips servers that it's not allowed to access
(trying to connected to server ISP-A while connected to ISP-B). Dunno
about Hamster. Within Gnus, you only will use localhost as the server
in gnus-select-method.
Other method are difficult, because Gnus (and every other User-Agent,
AFAIK) looks at/stores the article numbers and not at the unique
Message-Id (an article has different numbers on different servers).
Bye, Reiner.
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