From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/16307 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Elias_M=E5rtenson?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Outlook-style quoting for Gnus Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 11:14:07 +0800 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1370621859 11370 80.91.229.3 (7 Jun 2013 16:17:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 16:17:39 +0000 (UTC) To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org Original-X-From: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 07 18:17:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UkzMA-0003DA-Bo for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 18:17:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36142 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UkzM9-00086t-RV for gegu-info-gnus-english@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:17:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukn7z-0005lz-7k for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:14:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukn7w-0008Vi-GB for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]:41816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ukn7w-0008Vb-9T for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 23:14:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id fr10so3293331lab.32 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=B88kGfMpIrCC407/9ozIJCkAEHGZE1pmcMPjEQnL5V8=; b=YGy3RabWRefCYSQK0r+oAkJQJGFJ9aZ5pG2knlh0SlvHOQEXDIM7YZ+vgULgLFcUyY R9yYZo/erP+3zW0Fswk8G9uAH590EOr6nQ/iGZ30/53Llr3Uaq73pnHnX1wIv8Hz/7At g9W0jQeEF5z5JLWA7w7kR6s+3gtOTnAEujy8z9uOFelhzBXcRPeHqarsFhS7qepZDLDT z9R+B0FIfVOwHMrrof0HguLW2PPYHItTWgad3z+dstwvasfDKh9QbOnVOmDmLv5h9WBc NfCfGLyupLvSgfagvZQ3Kn1yYF97j1myTFwWSfzkyiFRsFZ7D1hIWYU+TGd/lc4+UmBb K+8Q== X-Received: by 10.112.168.226 with SMTP id zz2mr275517lbb.56.1370574847272; Thu, 06 Jun 2013 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.137.71 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Jun 2013 20:14:07 -0700 (PDT) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 12:17:26 -0400 X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+gegu-info-gnus-english=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:16307 Archived-At: Note: this is a re-send. The first copy was sent at the same time that I joined the mailing list and it didn't seem to be delivered. I apologise in advance in case you see multiple copies of this mail. At work I suffer from a problem that I suppose is not unique in the world: Being in an organisation that exclusively uses Outlook. For quite some time I suffered using Thunderbird, but I don't think I have to tell anyone here that that is not an ideal situation. Especially when most of the corporate communication is happening through email. I tried using Gnus, but I realised quickly that the everybody expects the replies to conform to the (yes, quite horrible) citation style of Outlook. This means that emails are HTML, and that the entire email chain prior is included in each mail. This includes preserved formatting and images. I also realised that Gnus had no way to provide this. This needed a solution. If one doesn't exist: Make one. So, I did. Me and a colleague have been using this for a while now, and it works quite effectively. So I felt it's time to ask the larger community if this this is something that anyone else has worked on addressing, and whether or not this is something that other people may also have a need for. Currently, apart from handling the Outlook-style quoting, with all its horrible quirks, it also uses Muse for marking up the text that you write. I have been thinking of switching this to Org instead. Doing so should be fairly simple, as most of the infrastructure is already in place. Anyway, here's the code if anyone is interested in taking a look: https://github.com/lokedhs/gnus-outlook-style The biggest problem right now for anyone who would like to try this is that it requires an external helper application. I needed to do it that way since there is no stable (and forgiving) HTML parser in Elisp. Adding to this is the fact that even the one in CL (closure-html) also barfs on the mess that Outlook spews out, so I had to patch it. The patch is included in my distribution, but it's not yet part of the standard distribution. Anyway, have fun (wait, no. Outlook is involved, so fun is not part of it). Please take a look if you're interested. :-) Regards, Elias