* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] <mailman.798.1189676680.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2007-09-13 10:15 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-13 10:44 ` Leo ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-13 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Leo wrote: > ,----[ (info "(gnus)Headers") ] >| And Gnus uses a format internally that it calls "header", which is >| what I'm talking about here. This is a 9-element vector, basically, >| with each header (ouch) having one slot. > `---- > It looks like Gnus has its own internal format and I have heard that it > is superior to NOV. So should users set gnus-nov-is-evil to t? If you have a nnml group, you can see its .overview file, that is just NOV. It's a common format that most news servers use when communicating with clients. It improves the performance. So, disabling it is not a good idea unless it malfunctions in the server. See also `nnml-nov-is-evil' and `nntp-nov-is-evil'. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-13 10:15 ` What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-13 10:44 ` Leo 2007-09-13 10:47 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.801.1189680591.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-13 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-13 11:15 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>>>>> Leo wrote: > >> ,----[ (info "(gnus)Headers") ] >>| And Gnus uses a format internally that it calls "header", which is >>| what I'm talking about here. This is a 9-element vector, basically, >>| with each header (ouch) having one slot. >> `---- > >> It looks like Gnus has its own internal format and I have heard that it >> is superior to NOV. So should users set gnus-nov-is-evil to t? > > If you have a nnml group, you can see its .overview file, that is > just NOV. It's a common format that most news servers use when > communicating with clients. It improves the performance. So, > disabling it is not a good idea unless it malfunctions in the > server. See also `nnml-nov-is-evil' and `nntp-nov-is-evil'. Thanks for the explanation. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-13 10:15 ` What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-13 10:44 ` Leo @ 2007-09-13 10:47 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.801.1189680591.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-13 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Katsumi Yamaoka; +Cc: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-13 11:15 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> It looks like Gnus has its own internal format and I have heard that >> it is superior to NOV. So should users set gnus-nov-is-evil to t? > > If you have a nnml group, you can see its .overview file, that is just > NOV. It's a common format that most news servers use when > communicating with clients. It improves the performance. So, > disabling it is not a good idea unless it malfunctions in the server. > See also `nnml-nov-is-evil' and `nntp-nov-is-evil'. Do you think this should go to the manual? Cheers, -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.801.1189680591.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2007-09-13 12:09 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-13 13:33 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.805.1189690509.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-13 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Leo wrote: > On 2007-09-13 11:15 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> If you have a nnml group, you can see its .overview file, that is just >> NOV. It's a common format that most news servers use when >> communicating with clients. It improves the performance. So, >> disabling it is not a good idea unless it malfunctions in the server. >> See also `nnml-nov-is-evil' and `nntp-nov-is-evil'. Oops. I overlooked `nndiary-nov-is-evil', `nndir-nov-is-evil', `nnfolder-nov-is-evil', `nnimap-nov-is-evil', `nnspool-nov-is-evil', and `nnwarchive-nov-is-evil'. > Do you think this should go to the manual?' Isn't it enough? (info "(gnus)Terminology") ,---- |"NOV" | When Gnus enters a group, it asks the back end for the headers of | all unread articles in the group. Most servers support the News | OverView format, which is more compact and much faster to read and | parse than the normal HEAD format. `---- I take time ten times as long as Japanese to write English. ;-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-13 12:09 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-13 13:33 ` Leo 2007-09-26 20:50 ` Reiner Steib [not found] ` <mailman.805.1189690509.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-13 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-13 13:09 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>>>>> Leo wrote: >> On 2007-09-13 11:15 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > >>> If you have a nnml group, you can see its .overview file, that is just >>> NOV. It's a common format that most news servers use when >>> communicating with clients. It improves the performance. So, >>> disabling it is not a good idea unless it malfunctions in the server. >>> See also `nnml-nov-is-evil' and `nntp-nov-is-evil'. > > Oops. I overlooked `nndiary-nov-is-evil', `nndir-nov-is-evil', > `nnfolder-nov-is-evil', `nnimap-nov-is-evil', `nnspool-nov-is-evil', > and `nnwarchive-nov-is-evil'. > >> Do you think this should go to the manual?' > > Isn't it enough? > > (info "(gnus)Terminology") > ,---- > |"NOV" > | When Gnus enters a group, it asks the back end for the headers of > | all unread articles in the group. Most servers support the News > | OverView format, which is more compact and much faster to read and > | parse than the normal HEAD format. > `---- > > I take time ten times as long as Japanese to write English. ;-) It is odd that it is not explained in the main text of the manual. Terminology is the last thing a user want to see. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-13 13:33 ` Leo @ 2007-09-26 20:50 ` Reiner Steib 2007-09-26 23:31 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2007-09-26 20:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Thu, Sep 13 2007, Leo wrote: > On 2007-09-13 13:09 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>>>>>> Leo wrote: >>> Do you think this should go to the manual?' >> >> Isn't it enough? >> >> (info "(gnus)Terminology") >> ,---- >> |"NOV" >> | When Gnus enters a group, it asks the back end for the headers of >> | all unread articles in the group. Most servers support the News >> | OverView format, which is more compact and much faster to read and >> | parse than the normal HEAD format. >> `---- [...] > It is odd that it is not explained in the main text of the > manual. Terminology is the last thing a user want to see. Why? If you are not familiar with a term, terminology is exactly the right place to look at instead of some random node in the "main text". There are dozens of nodes where the term NOV is mentioned. Adding such explanations in each node would be terrible. I'd prefer to have (most of) the new text in (info "(gnus)Terminology") and add references in (info "(gnus)Slow/Expensive Connection"). Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-26 20:50 ` Reiner Steib @ 2007-09-26 23:31 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-26 23:43 ` Leo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-26 23:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Reiner Steib wrote: > On Thu, Sep 13 2007, Leo wrote: >> On 2007-09-13 13:09 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>>>>>>> Leo wrote: >>>> Do you think this should go to the manual?' >>> >>> Isn't it enough? >>> >>> (info "(gnus)Terminology") > [...] >> It is odd that it is not explained in the main text of the >> manual. Terminology is the last thing a user want to see. > Why? If you are not familiar with a term, terminology is exactly the > right place to look at instead of some random node in the "main text". > There are dozens of nodes where the term NOV is mentioned. Adding > such explanations in each node would be terrible. > I'd prefer to have (most of) the new text in (info > "(gnus)Terminology") and add references in (info "(gnus)Slow/Expensive > Connection"). I agreed, and did so. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-26 23:31 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-26 23:43 ` Leo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-26 23:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-27 00:31 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> Why? If you are not familiar with a term, terminology is exactly the >> right place to look at instead of some random node in the "main text". >> There are dozens of nodes where the term NOV is mentioned. Adding >> such explanations in each node would be terrible. > >> I'd prefer to have (most of) the new text in (info >> "(gnus)Terminology") and add references in (info "(gnus)Slow/Expensive >> Connection"). > > I agreed, and did so. I don't mind either way. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the most powerful email client -- http://gnus.org/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.805.1189690509.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2007-09-13 23:27 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 0:43 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.829.1189730734.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-13 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Leo wrote: > On 2007-09-13 13:09 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>> Do you think this should go to the manual?' >> Isn't it enough? >> (info "(gnus)Terminology") >> ,---- >>|"NOV" >>| When Gnus enters a group, it asks the back end for the headers of >>| all unread articles in the group. Most servers support the News >>| OverView format, which is more compact and much faster to read and >>| parse than the normal HEAD format. >> `---- >> I take time ten times as long as Japanese to write English. ;-) > It is odd that it is not explained in the main text of the > manual. Terminology is the last thing a user want to see. Indeed. I was skeptical to make the Gnus manual describe in detail such a common word. Since Gnus started as a simple news reader[1], NOV was a self-explaining word, I believe. But I agree to add a brief explanation in some place. Volunteer? (If no one stands, I'll do it someday, even though I'm not a good English writer. ;-) [1] It was GNUS in those days. How simple the one I used first was: http://www.jpl.org/ftp/pub/elisp/attic/gnus-3.12.tar.Z ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-13 23:27 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-14 0:43 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.829.1189730734.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-14 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-14 00:27 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>> I take time ten times as long as Japanese to write English. ;-) > >> It is odd that it is not explained in the main text of the >> manual. Terminology is the last thing a user want to see. > > Indeed. I was skeptical to make the Gnus manual describe in detail > such a common word. Since Gnus started as a simple news reader[1], > NOV was a self-explaining word, I believe. But I agree to add a > brief explanation in some place. Volunteer? (If no one stands, > I'll do it someday, even though I'm not a good English writer. ;-) I am non-native speaker myself. > [1] It was GNUS in those days. How simple the one I used first was: > http://www.jpl.org/ftp/pub/elisp/attic/gnus-3.12.tar.Z That is impressive and it looks like it still runs in modern GNU Emacs. -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.829.1189730734.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2007-09-14 5:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste 2007-09-14 19:46 ` Adam Sjøgren 2007-09-14 11:02 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Karl Kleinpaste @ 2007-09-14 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> [1] It was GNUS in those days. How simple the one I used first was: >> http://www.jpl.org/ftp/pub/elisp/attic/gnus-3.12.tar.Z Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> writes: > That is impressive and it looks like it still runs in modern GNU Emacs. The first version I used was 2.10, and was where I first did mail+news integration (nnspool only, using external shell script assistance). It's amazing, or perhaps alarming, how far Gnus has gone over the years. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-14 5:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste @ 2007-09-14 19:46 ` Adam Sjøgren 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2007-09-14 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:14:24 -0400, Karl wrote: > It's amazing, or perhaps alarming, how far Gnus has gone over the years. I find it strangely comforting. Thanks all contributors! Best regards, Adam -- "I pragmatically turn my whims into principles!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.829.1189730734.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-14 5:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste @ 2007-09-14 11:02 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 13:47 ` Lowell Gilbert 2007-09-14 15:57 ` Leo 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-14 11:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Leo wrote: > On 2007-09-14 00:27 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >> I'll do it someday, even though I'm not a good English writer. ;-) > I am non-native speaker myself. OK. I've added this: (info "(gnus)Slow/Expensive Connection") ,---- |`gnus-nov-is-evil' | This one has to be _always_ `nil' (which is the default). If you | need not to use NOV (see below) with the `nntp' back end for | example (*note Crosspost Handling::), set `nntp-nov-is-evil' to a | non-`nil' value instead of setting this. But you normally have no | need to set `nntp-nov-is-evil' since Gnus by itself will detect | whether the NNTP server supports NOV. Anyway, grabbing article | headers from the NNTP server will not be very fast if you tell | Gnus not to use NOV. | | As the variables for the other back ends, there are | `nndiary-nov-is-evil', `nndir-nov-is-evil', | `nnfolder-nov-is-evil', `nnimap-nov-is-evil', `nnml-nov-is-evil', | `nnspool-nov-is-evil', and `nnwarchive-nov-is-evil'. Note that a | non-`nil' value for `gnus-nov-is-evil' overrides all those | variables. | |What's NOV? | | NOV stands for News OverView, which provide data containing the |condensed header information of articles. They are what the server |makes; in the `nntp' back end Gnus uses the ones that the NNTP server |makes, but Gnus makes them by itself in the server like `nnml' which |Gnus performs. The NOV data consist of one or more text lines (*note |Motion by Text Lines: (elisp)Text Lines.) where each line has the header |information of one article. The header information is a tab-separated |series of the header's contents including an article number, a subject, |an author, a date, a message-id, references, etc. | | Those data enable Gnus to generate summary lines fast. However, if |the server does not support NOV or you disable it purposely or for some |reason, Gnus will try to generate the header information by parsing |article's header one by one. It will take time. Therefore, it is not |usually a good idea to set `*-nov-is-evil' to a non-`nil' value unless |there is such a reason that the server makes wrong NOV data. `---- See you next week. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-14 11:02 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-14 13:47 ` Lowell Gilbert 2007-09-15 3:46 ` Allan Gottlieb [not found] ` <mailman.893.1189828008.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-14 15:57 ` Leo 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Lowell Gilbert @ 2007-09-14 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english I *am* a native English speaker, and I thought that text was quite good. Here, however, is a slightly edited version that may be slightly more clear. ================================================================ What's NOV? NOV stands for News OverView, which is a type of news server header which provide datas containing the condensed header information of articles. The are produced by the server itself; in the `nntp' back end Gnus uses the ones that the NNTP server makes, but Gnus makes them by itself for some backends (in particular, `nnml'). The NOV data consist of one or more text lines (*note Motion by Text Lines: (elisp)Text Lines.) where each line has the header information of one article. The header information is a tab-separated series of the header's contents including an article number, a subject, an author, a date, a message-id, references, etc. Those data enable Gnus to generate summary lines quickly. However, if the server does not support NOV or you disable it purposely or for some reason, Gnus will try to generate the header information by parsing each article's headers one by one. It will take time. Therefore, it is not usually a good idea to set `*-nov-is-evil' to a non-`nil' value unless you know that the server makes wrong NOV data. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-14 13:47 ` Lowell Gilbert @ 2007-09-15 3:46 ` Allan Gottlieb [not found] ` <mailman.893.1189828008.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Allan Gottlieb @ 2007-09-15 3:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lowell Gilbert; +Cc: info-gnus-english I also am a native English speaker, and agree that text was quite good. Here, however, is a slightly edited version of the first part that may be slightly more clear. `gnus-nov-is-evil' This one must _always_ be `nil' (which is the default). If, for example, you wish to not use NOV (see below) with the `nntp' back end (*note Crosspost Handling::), set `nntp-nov-is-evil' to a non-`nil' value instead of setting this. But you normally do not need to set `nntp-nov-is-evil' since Gnus by itself will detect whether the NNTP server supports NOV. Anyway, grabbing article headers from the NNTP server will not be very fast if you tell Gnus not to use NOV. Thanks for gnus, allan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.893.1189828008.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2007-09-17 23:55 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-24 8:36 ` Hallvard B Furuseth 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-17 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Lowell Gilbert wrote: > I *am* a native English speaker, and I thought that text was quite > good. Here, however, is a slightly edited version that may be > slightly more clear. > ================================================================ > What's NOV? >>>>> Allan Gottlieb wrote: > I also am a native English speaker, and agree that text was quite > good. Here, however, is a slightly edited version of the first part > that may be slightly more clear. > `gnus-nov-is-evil' Thank you very much for improving them. I've merged Lowell's and Allan's changes into the Gnus CVS repository (with the `tiny change' flags in the ChangeLog entries). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? [not found] ` <mailman.893.1189828008.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-17 23:55 ` Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-24 8:36 ` Hallvard B Furuseth 2007-09-25 4:17 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Hallvard B Furuseth @ 2007-09-24 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Allan Gottlieb writes: > Here, however, is a slightly edited version of the first part > that may be slightly more clear. > > `gnus-nov-is-evil' > This one must _always_ be `nil' (which is the default). I assume that should be "This variable is obsolete, it should always be nil (which is the default)." Otherwise, what's the point of a variable which should never be changed? Might also be an idea to insert code which gives a warning if it is non-nil. The warning could display the doc string you gave: > If, for > example, you wish to not use NOV (see below) with the `nntp' back > end (*note Crosspost Handling::), set `nntp-nov-is-evil' to a > non-`nil' value instead of setting this. But you normally do not > need to set `nntp-nov-is-evil' since Gnus by itself will detect > whether the NNTP server supports NOV. Anyway, grabbing article > headers from the NNTP server will not be very fast if you tell > Gnus not to use NOV. -- Hallvard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-24 8:36 ` Hallvard B Furuseth @ 2007-09-25 4:17 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Katsumi Yamaoka @ 2007-09-25 4:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english >>>>> Hallvard B Furuseth wrote: > Allan Gottlieb writes: >> Here, however, is a slightly edited version of the first part >> that may be slightly more clear. >> >> `gnus-nov-is-evil' >> This one must _always_ be `nil' (which is the default). > I assume that should be "This variable is obsolete, it should > always be nil (which is the default)." Otherwise, what's the > point of a variable which should never be changed? Thanks for pointing it out. However, I overlooked that nnkiboze.el, nnslashdot.el, nnultimate.el, and nnwfm.el don't have their own nn*-nov-is-evil. So, maybe we should introduce them and mention in the `Back End Interface' Info section that every back end should provide it. Otherwise, what we should do may be to maintain those back ends so as to always work well with NOV. I vote to the later. Regards, ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? 2007-09-14 11:02 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 13:47 ` Lowell Gilbert @ 2007-09-14 15:57 ` Leo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-14 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On 2007-09-14 12:02 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: >>>>>> Leo wrote: >> On 2007-09-14 00:27 +0100, Katsumi Yamaoka wrote: > >>> I'll do it someday, even though I'm not a good English writer. ;-) > >> I am non-native speaker myself. > > OK. I've added this: [...] It looks great! > See you next week. Have a lovely weekend. Best, -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? @ 2007-09-13 9:42 Leo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-09-13 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Hi there, From the manual: ,----[ (info "(gnus)Headers") ] | And Gnus uses a format internally that it calls "header", which is | what I'm talking about here. This is a 9-element vector, basically, | with each header (ouch) having one slot. `---- It looks like Gnus has its own internal format and I have heard that it is superior to NOV. So should users set gnus-nov-is-evil to t? Thanks, -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. => "(require 'cl) considered harmful" considered harmful => http://dto.freeshell.org/blog/blog-2007-09-07-2323.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2007-09-26 23:43 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 20+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <mailman.798.1189676680.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-13 10:15 ` What's NOV? Should gnus-nov-is-evil be set to t? Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-13 10:44 ` Leo 2007-09-13 10:47 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.801.1189680591.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-13 12:09 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-13 13:33 ` Leo 2007-09-26 20:50 ` Reiner Steib 2007-09-26 23:31 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-26 23:43 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.805.1189690509.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-13 23:27 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 0:43 ` Leo [not found] ` <mailman.829.1189730734.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-14 5:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste 2007-09-14 19:46 ` Adam Sjøgren 2007-09-14 11:02 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 13:47 ` Lowell Gilbert 2007-09-15 3:46 ` Allan Gottlieb [not found] ` <mailman.893.1189828008.18990.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2007-09-17 23:55 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-24 8:36 ` Hallvard B Furuseth 2007-09-25 4:17 ` Katsumi Yamaoka 2007-09-14 15:57 ` Leo 2007-09-13 9:42 Leo
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