From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.4 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 10811 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2023 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (209.51.188.17) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 11 Dec 2023 14:43:09 -0000 Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rChUm-00013L-Rz; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:42:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rChUk-00012S-H8 for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:42:54 -0500 Received: from meesny.iki.fi ([2001:67c:2b0:1c1::201]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rChUi-0007WG-3p for info-gnus-english@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 09:42:54 -0500 Received: from [IPV6:2001:708:10:10:da25:17e0:6ed8:2206] (unknown [IPv6:2001:708:10:10:da25:17e0:6ed8:2206]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: om) by meesny.iki.fi (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4SpkxH5FbYzyPB for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:42:43 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iki.fi; s=meesny; t=1702305764; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aB4TLOCqH+RNZJcVqDiFdI0BApD4FdFuRdp9jkJYHCE=; b=KaCk7hOB0+Jj6qv0eczL3YoHB9rEG01PiLupafHweCnjj1b+Y2nj2PYkAPtlji/Z8rC0tC 9St6doNNjr29LXR53APA9L7gpXwYonPcS0peX7gPfAC5Ooe9iZKa6uCJ4+BEZKbPkuPAI7 nqZlUy4XyzwjuanMC1UByEMXo+dYg48= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=iki.fi; s=meesny; t=1702305764; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=aB4TLOCqH+RNZJcVqDiFdI0BApD4FdFuRdp9jkJYHCE=; b=gugsdbVZQZV3hD05psosCTfv4ry9s8BhDW17sAsVKy+IwZqfG7kmsqALQ8llILlqNtd9mB WO5DrrI38LNBufvAqEjfpB8RH52nLLnOtZjOOJlCoGtReUnWA+ia9bsQ1H84x10QRW2MGp FN4gHrvFO2FGkmphS+h9Hk0iP49HtGY= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; ORIGINATING; auth=pass smtp.auth=om smtp.mailfrom=om@iki.fi ARC-Seal: i=1; s=meesny; d=iki.fi; t=1702305764; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=eCJhPnVMKPBc/fa7XlzdzgdBO0DhNd3velyNJNYXdaUhOShaCouE87cfoqHgC8qd997JQF +Pp+0cAeeBdU+3P6kl1RYvUD3ego3IaldUSyhbwbfmNCMOlXiboP3cGu1VH8ujinayArc1 F9p395nYgqlK9RAdRIqoQmod52K6Y6M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:42:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: Have message-ID set by my email server rather than by Message Content-Language: en-US To: info-gnus-english@gnu.org References: <02faa3f8a25dc94c6e745ba7e119711a@posteo.net> <22jzpnyi1c.fsf@floptop.liman.net> <8b21e2aa979f8c1944fc0b5ca4be1e5c@posteo.net> <22o7exnmdi.fsf@floptop.liman.net> From: "Otto J. Makela" Organization: Haphazard In-Reply-To: <22o7exnmdi.fsf@floptop.liman.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:67c:2b0:1c1::201; envelope-from=om@iki.fi; helo=meesny.iki.fi X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: info-gnus-english@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Announcements and discussions for GNUS, the GNU Emacs Usenet newsreader \(in English\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org Sender: info-gnus-english-bounces+ml=inbox.vuxu.org@gnu.org On 12/11/23 11:01, Lars-Johan Liman wrote: > FWIW, I agree with Arash's sentiment. This, again, goes back to the > notion that a message without a Message-ID is (more or less) invalid. > Therefore any and all e-mail software (user agents and transport agents > alike) is disciplined to add a Message-ID to any message without one, to > avoid transferring invalid messages. A quite normal arrangement is to have separate MTA (message transfer agent, for internet-incoming email) and MSA (message submission agent, for your local email clients) services. MSA's (which typically require user authentication) often don't enforce message rules as strictly as MTA's which have to contend with incoming spam, and thus can add in missing Date, Message-ID etc fields. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_submission_agent -- /* * * Otto J. Makela * * * * * * * * * */ /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */ /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */ /* * * Computers Rule 01001111 01001011 * * * * * * */