* Re: Noob seeks help with splitting and spam [not found] <87ocavc7gq.fsf@sdf-eu.org> @ 2010-10-16 12:00 ` Jim Burton 2010-10-16 13:12 ` Richard Riley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Jim Burton @ 2010-10-16 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Jim Burton <jim@sdf-eu.org> writes: > Hi, I've just started with Gnus, and I'm confused about the whole > splitting business and how I can use that to deal with spam. I decided, > somewhat arbitrarily, that I should use bogofilter. So I read the wiki > page about setting it up with gnus and the other resources I could find > on the subject, installed bogofilter and so far I have this in ~/.gnus: > > (require 'spam) > (require 'gnus-bogofilter) > (setq spam-use-bogofilter t > spam-split-group "spam") > (spam-initialize) > (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split))) > > Finally, I presumed this required me to make a group called "spam", so I > did (with U "spam"), but I can't select that group as I get "couldn't > activate group". As I understand it, I should now be able to use C-c g > s on a message to mark it as spam and move it into my "spam" folder? > Doing that doesn't seem to have any effect. In fact it *does* have an effect. When I leave the summary page after marking something as spam or ham I get a message "applying spam rules", and the messages marked as spam are moved, or at least are not displayed to me when I enter that group again. Where is the spam being "moved" to, if anywhere, and if I train bogofilter in this way will my current setup start to detect spam and move it to the same place before I even see it? Obviously, this is how I'd like it work, and I also want to check for false positives once it does. Thanks, Jim > A really simple HOWTO would > be much appreciated. Thanks, > > Jim -- J Burton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Noob seeks help with splitting and spam 2010-10-16 12:00 ` Noob seeks help with splitting and spam Jim Burton @ 2010-10-16 13:12 ` Richard Riley 2010-10-16 19:42 ` Jim Burton 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2010-10-16 13:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Jim Burton <jim@sdf-eu.org> writes: > Jim Burton <jim@sdf-eu.org> writes: > >> Hi, I've just started with Gnus, and I'm confused about the whole >> splitting business and how I can use that to deal with spam. I decided, >> somewhat arbitrarily, that I should use bogofilter. So I read the wiki >> page about setting it up with gnus and the other resources I could find >> on the subject, installed bogofilter and so far I have this in ~/.gnus: >> >> (require 'spam) >> (require 'gnus-bogofilter) >> (setq spam-use-bogofilter t >> spam-split-group "spam") >> (spam-initialize) >> (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split))) >> >> Finally, I presumed this required me to make a group called "spam", so I >> did (with U "spam"), but I can't select that group as I get "couldn't >> activate group". As I understand it, I should now be able to use C-c g >> s on a message to mark it as spam and move it into my "spam" folder? >> Doing that doesn't seem to have any effect. > > In fact it *does* have an effect. When I leave the summary page after > marking something as spam or ham I get a message "applying spam rules", > and the messages marked as spam are moved, or at least are not displayed > to me when I enter that group again. Where is the spam being "moved" to, > if anywhere, and if I train bogofilter in this way will my current setup > start to detect spam and move it to the same place before I even see it? > Obviously, this is how I'd like it work, and I also want to check for > false positives once it does. > Spam filtering is confusing to start with. This is apparent from the same issues cropping up in #emacs and other resources. That said its incredibly powerful. I'm not sure how group settings for "auto spam check" work when set in conjunction with nnimap-inbox and spam-split. But this is how my working setup looks:- (setq spam-use-bogofilter t) (require 'spam) (spam-initialize) (setq nnimap-inbox "INBOX") (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default) (setq nnimap-split-download-body t) (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(|(: spam-split))) (setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy) (setq spam-autodetect-recheck-messages nil) (setq spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t) (setq spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam t) (setq spam-split-group "Gnus-Spam") In the group customisation for my INBOXs (G c) I set :- ,---- |[X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: | Set: | [X] Spam: Bogofilter | [ ] Spam: Blacklist | `---- Q: does this have to be set? Is spam-use-bogofilter in addition or a precursor to this working? ,---- | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Gnus-Spam | [INS] | Where spam-processed articles will go at summary exit. `---- note : fully qualified. Its in Gnus-Spam that I can recheck. The group customisation settings for there are: ,---- | [X] Group contents spam/ham classification: | Group contents classification for spam sorting: [Value Menu] gnus-group-spam-classification-spam | Spam group classification (requires spam.el). [More] | `---- the concept of "spam" and ham groups can be confusing too. mark as ham? Its ham. Mark as spam? Its spam. The corresponding exit processors take care. I need to reread the manual I think. e.g is INBOX a spam folder? or a ham folder? or nothing? It certainly contains ham. And often contains spam which I manually mark with M-d and is then moved to gnus-spam when I exit the group. But what kind of group is it? ,---- | [X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: | Set: | [X] Spam: Bogofilter | `---- ,---- | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Trash | [INS] `---- ,---- | [X] Destination for ham articles at summary exit from a spam group: [Value Menu] Move to a group: nnimap+riley:mail | Where ham articles will go at summary exit from a spam group. `---- ,---- | [X] Ham mark choices: | Set: | [ ] gnus-del-mark | Mark used for del'd articles. | [ ] gnus-read-mark | Mark used for read articles. | [X] gnus-ticked-mark | Mark used for ticked articles. | [ ] gnus-killed-mark | Mark used for killed articles. | [ ] gnus-kill-file-mark | Mark used for articles killed by kill files. | [ ] gnus-low-score-mark | Mark used for articles with a low score. | Marks considered ham (positively not spam). Such articles will be [More] | | [X] Spam mark choices: | Set: | [X] gnus-spam-mark | Mark used for spam articles. `---- Anyway, I hope this helps! "works for me" ... ;) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Noob seeks help with splitting and spam 2010-10-16 13:12 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-10-16 19:42 ` Jim Burton 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Jim Burton @ 2010-10-16 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Hi Richard, thanks for your reply. Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: [snip] > > Spam filtering is confusing to start with. This is apparent > from the same issues cropping up in #emacs and other resources. That > said its incredibly powerful. > > I'm not sure how group settings for "auto spam check" work when set in > conjunction with nnimap-inbox and spam-split. > > But this is how my working setup looks:- > > (setq spam-use-bogofilter t) > > (require 'spam) > (spam-initialize) > > (setq nnimap-inbox "INBOX") > (setq nnimap-split-methods 'default) > (setq nnimap-split-download-body t) > > (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(|(: spam-split))) > (setq nnmail-split-methods 'nnmail-split-fancy) > > (setq spam-autodetect-recheck-messages nil) > (setq spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t) > (setq spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam t) > (setq spam-split-group "Gnus-Spam") > > In the group customisation for my INBOXs (G c) I set :- > Huh! I didn't know you could customize all this on a group by group basis. I've a lot to learn about Gnus. In the meantime, I'll try out your settings and see how it works for me. Thanks for your help, Jim > ,---- > |[X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: > | Set: > | [X] Spam: Bogofilter > | [ ] Spam: Blacklist > | > `---- > > Q: does this have to be set? Is spam-use-bogofilter in addition or a > precursor to this working? > > ,---- > | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: > | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Gnus-Spam > | [INS] > | Where spam-processed articles will go at summary exit. > `---- > > note : fully qualified. > > Its in Gnus-Spam that I can recheck. The group customisation settings > for there are: > > ,---- > | [X] Group contents spam/ham classification: > | Group contents classification for spam sorting: [Value Menu] gnus-group-spam-classification-spam > | Spam group classification (requires spam.el). [More] > | > `---- > > the concept of "spam" and ham groups can be confusing too. mark as ham? > Its ham. Mark as spam? Its spam. The corresponding exit processors take > care. I need to reread the manual I think. e.g is INBOX a spam folder? > or a ham folder? or nothing? It certainly contains ham. And often > contains spam which I manually mark with M-d and is then moved to > gnus-spam when I exit the group. But what kind of group is it? > > ,---- > | [X] Spam Summary Exit Processor: [Value Menu] Spam Summary Exit Processor Choices: > | Set: > | [X] Spam: Bogofilter > | > `---- > > ,---- > | [X] Destination for spam-processed articles at summary exit: [Value Menu] Move to multiple groups: > | [INS] [DEL] Destination group: nnimap+riley:Trash > | [INS] > `---- > > ,---- > | [X] Destination for ham articles at summary exit from a spam group: [Value Menu] Move to a group: nnimap+riley:mail > | Where ham articles will go at summary exit from a spam group. > `---- > > > ,---- > | [X] Ham mark choices: > | Set: > | [ ] gnus-del-mark > | Mark used for del'd articles. > | [ ] gnus-read-mark > | Mark used for read articles. > | [X] gnus-ticked-mark > | Mark used for ticked articles. > | [ ] gnus-killed-mark > | Mark used for killed articles. > | [ ] gnus-kill-file-mark > | Mark used for articles killed by kill files. > | [ ] gnus-low-score-mark > | Mark used for articles with a low score. > | Marks considered ham (positively not spam). Such articles will be [More] > | > | [X] Spam mark choices: > | Set: > | [X] gnus-spam-mark > | Mark used for spam articles. > `---- > > Anyway, I hope this helps! "works for me" ... ;) > > > > > -- J Burton ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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