* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] <mailman.31.1293525612.2341.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-28 10:21 ` Massimo Gengarelli 2010-12-28 14:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Massimo Gengarelli @ 2010-12-28 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > i just started with gnu after some encouraging advice from the > emacs.help group and things are fitting together nicely so far. Nice choice ;-) I've been using Gnus for a couple of weeks now and I'm very happy with it :-P > i've been posting on gmane.test and am surprised to see that i don't > show up as the author of the post or the replies. instead i see it is > => gmane.test That's normal, in the summary buffer you'll see "=> gmane.test" which means "You posted on gmane.test", but if you open up the message, you'll see yourself as author. This is (imho) better than showing up only the author as you'll see faster your own messages. > In friendship, > prad In friendship, massi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] <mailman.31.1293525612.2341.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 10:21 ` author of post and signature problems Massimo Gengarelli @ 2010-12-28 14:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 18:12 ` prad ` (2 more replies) 1 sibling, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:33:26 -0800, prad wrote: > also, how do i get by the signature limit? > i have tried to set gnus-signature-limit to high values and still get > Denied posting excessive signature > (unless i remove the two hypens so the system thinks i have no > signature) Are you sure it isn't the newsserver that implements a limit? ("Denied posting" sounds like something from a server.) Why on earth do you want to bypass a signature size limit? :-), Adam -- "Accept the mystery!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 14:36 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 18:12 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-31 0:59 ` Brett Viren 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-28 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:33:26 -0800, prad wrote: > >> also, how do i get by the signature limit? >> i have tried to set gnus-signature-limit to high values and still get >> Denied posting excessive signature >> (unless i remove the two hypens so the system thinks i have no >> signature) > > Are you sure it isn't the newsserver that implements a limit? ("Denied > posting" sounds like something from a server.) > > Why on earth do you want to bypass a signature size limit? > well i've used the same sig for years and i have no trouble posting with it on the other news groups (in fact, the emacs.help group) with claws-mail. so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-28 19:06 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 20:19 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.3.1293567513.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 19:11 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-28 20:18 ` David Brown 2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 19:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 10:12:31 -0800, prad wrote: >> Why on earth do you want to bypass a signature size limit? > well i've used the same sig for years and i have no trouble posting with > it on the other news groups (in fact, the emacs.help group) with > claws-mail. Breaking netiquette for a long time surely isn't an argument for keeping on doing so? > so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. You are right, the message you are seeing is indeed from message.el's message-check-news-body-syntax function. I jumped to the wrong conclusion; sorry. It looks like you can configure this variable to allow you to shoot yourself in the foot: ,----[ C-h v message-shoot-gnksa-feet RET ] | message-shoot-gnksa-feet is a variable defined in `message.el'. | Its value is nil | | Documentation: | *A list of GNKSA feet you are allowed to shoot. | Gnus gives you all the opportunity you could possibly want for | shooting yourself in the foot. Also, Gnus allows you to shoot the | feet of Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval. The following are foot | candidates: | `empty-article' Allow you to post an empty article; | `quoted-text-only' Allow you to post quoted text only; | `multiple-copies' Allow you to post multiple copies; | `cancel-messages' Allow you to cancel or supersede messages from | your other email addresses. `---- You'll want the - above undocumented - `signature' "candidate". Best regards, Adam ¹ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/software/good-netkeeping-seal/ -- "Accept the mystery!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 19:06 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 20:19 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.3.1293567513.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-28 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Breaking netiquette for a long time surely isn't an argument for keeping > on doing so? > :D i'm only wanting to 'break' it by 3 lines :D besides, it's never been a problem on any elist i've been on before and i'll bet there is no issue if i do it from claws-mail. >> so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. > > You are right, the message you are seeing is indeed from message.el's > message-check-news-body-syntax function. I jumped to the wrong > conclusion; sorry. > no problem and thx very much for digging up the things in message.el, adam! i found the '(signature . disable) bit in there last night, but i didn't want to go messing around with that stuff just yet. i'm happy for now just removing the space after the 2 hyphens so gnus thinks i have no sig. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.3.1293567513.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-28 21:25 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-29 14:48 ` Philipp Haselwarter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:19:16 -0800, prad wrote: > :D i'm only wanting to 'break' it by 3 lines :D Maybe this is the time to consider condensing your signature a bit? Sometimes change is for the better. > besides, it's never been a problem on any elist i've been on before and > i'll bet there is no issue if i do it from claws-mail. I am sorry to hear that claws-mail ignores the Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval; yet elated that Gnus doesn't. > i found the '(signature . disable) bit in there last night, but i didn't > want to go messing around with that stuff just yet. i'm happy for now > just removing the space after the 2 hyphens so gnus thinks i have no sig. So now you are breaking both signature netiquette _and_ the convention of the signature separator. And happy about it - how quaint. Best regards, Adam -- "Accept the mystery!" Adam Sjøgren asjo@koldfront.dk ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 21:25 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-29 14:48 ` Philipp Haselwarter 2010-12-30 19:13 ` prad 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Philipp Haselwarter @ 2010-12-29 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:25:37 +0100, asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) said: ---8<---[snipped 18 lines]---8<--- AS> So now you are breaking both signature netiquette _and_ the AS> convention of the signature separator. And happy about it - how AS> quaint. The signature police speaking.. ---8<---[snipped 6 lines]---8<--- Let's compare: ,---- | Best regards, | | Adam | | -- | "Accept the mystery!" Adam Sjøgren | asjo@koldfront.dk `---- ,---- | -- | In friendship, | prad | | ... with you on your journey | Towards Freedom | http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) | Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's `---- So prad's crime basically consists in making the greeting part part of his signature. Counting that part out, he'd have a 4-line signature: ,---- | In friendship, | prad | | -- | ... with you on your journey | Towards Freedom | http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) | Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's `---- One possible solution: In .gnus.el: ,---- | (setq gnus-parameters | `((".*" | (posting-style (body "\n\n\nIn friendship,\nprad\n"))))) `---- In .signature: ,---- | ... with you on your journey | Towards Freedom | http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) | Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's `---- That being said -- keep the noise low, there are enough ads on the web, short signatures ftw. -- Philipp Haselwarter ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-29 14:48 ` Philipp Haselwarter @ 2010-12-30 19:13 ` prad 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-30 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Philipp Haselwarter <philipp.haselwarter@gmx.de> writes: > One possible solution: ... > thx philipp! that was an interesting observation and ingenious solution. i will heed your traffic point though and keep my sig to 2 lines - besides i enjoy using C-c C-z to kill the bottom part of my sig for some reason. :D ,---- | (setq gnus-parameters | `((".*" | (posting-style (body "\n\n\nIn friendship,\nprad\n"))))) `---- what i don't get is how to figure out things like setting the gnus-parameters. i tried looking through the manual's index to see if i could get a clue as to whether that would have led me to your solution. reading the text i found the posting-style parameter (though the body function was not there (though it is if one follows the posting styles link). so i guess it's just a matter of on-going work with gnus and reading the manual regularly so one can become familiar with all the goodies that are actually available to us. additionally, persuing the newsgroup should produce some gems i'm sure, though i don't have an intelligent way of searching through it yet. -- In friendship, prad ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 19:06 ` Adam Sjøgren @ 2010-12-28 19:11 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-28 20:10 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.2.1293566991.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 20:18 ` David Brown 2 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 19:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > >> On Tue, 28 Dec 2010 00:33:26 -0800, prad wrote: >> >>> also, how do i get by the signature limit? >>> i have tried to set gnus-signature-limit to high values and still get >>> Denied posting excessive signature >>> (unless i remove the two hypens so the system thinks i have no >>> signature) >> >> Are you sure it isn't the newsserver that implements a limit? ("Denied >> posting" sounds like something from a server.) >> >> Why on earth do you want to bypass a signature size limit? >> > well i've used the same sig for years and i have no trouble posting with > it on the other news groups (in fact, the emacs.help group) with > claws-mail. > > so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. > > In friendship, > prad > > ... with you on your journey > Towards Freedom > http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) > Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's > Possibly try doing a delayed post or "unplugged". That might show you if its Gnus or the server. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 19:11 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 20:10 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.2.1293566991.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-28 20:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: > Possibly try doing a delayed post or "unplugged". That might show you if > its Gnus or the server. hi richard! nice to hear from you especially since it was primarily your post on emacs.help that prompted me to go with gnus! this isn't a big deal as far as posting since i already know how to by-pass the problem. i'm just trying to find out what the significance of gnus-signature-limit variable is. i also have only tried this on gmane.emacs.gnus.user gmane.test i've see some people set it to 500 or do stuff like: (setq gnus-signature-limit '(200.0 "^------Forward")) which apparently means that if there are more than 200 lines or there is that forward line it shouldn't be considered a sig. none of this worked for me - it's like the line limit of 4.0 is hardwired into gnus. :D possibly the sig-limit variable is used to handle other people's posted sigs? the forward matter can particularly be an issue i guess since i like to introduce forwarded text with a short blurb followed by my sig. in any case, i'll move on with something else since this is a really fun software to explore! however, if you or anyone can provide further insight into the sig-limit variable, it will always be appreciated. -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.2.1293566991.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-28 20:31 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-28 21:40 ` despen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: > >> Possibly try doing a delayed post or "unplugged". That might show you if >> its Gnus or the server. > > hi richard! > nice to hear from you especially since it was primarily your post on > emacs.help that prompted me to go with gnus! Good to hear. Gnus is hard work at times but its worth it. Stick with it. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.2.1293566991.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 20:31 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 21:40 ` despen 2010-12-28 23:39 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.0.1293579503.26585.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: despen @ 2010-12-28 21:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: > > possibly the sig-limit variable is used to handle other people's posted sigs? ... > -- > In friendship, > prad > > ... with you on your journey > Towards Freedom > http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) > Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's Not only do you get around reasonable conventions, but your sig gets copied into replies and avoids GNUS attempts to highlight your sig correctly. Here's your sig made to follow the rules: -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 21:40 ` despen @ 2010-12-28 23:39 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.0.1293579503.26585.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-28 23:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english despen@verizon.net writes: > Not only do you get around reasonable conventions, but > your sig gets copied into replies and avoids GNUS attempts to > highlight your sig correctly. > this is a very good point which hadn't occurred to me. thank you. i understand the newsgroup rationale thanks to your demonstration despen and as i explore gnus further. i am happy to comply. when in gnus do as the gnusians do! -- In friendship, prad ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.0.1293579503.26585.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-29 1:49 ` despen 2010-12-29 7:12 ` prad 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: despen @ 2010-12-29 1:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > despen@verizon.net writes: > >> Not only do you get around reasonable conventions, but >> your sig gets copied into replies and avoids GNUS attempts to >> highlight your sig correctly. >> > this is a very good point which hadn't occurred to me. thank you. > i understand the newsgroup rationale thanks to your demonstration despen > and as i explore gnus further. i am happy to comply. Bravo, in my estimation, you're a man among men. One who listens to contrary opinions and accepts some of them. Good form. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-29 1:49 ` despen @ 2010-12-29 7:12 ` prad 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-29 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english despen@verizon.net writes: > Bravo, in my estimation, you're a man among men. > One who listens to contrary opinions and accepts some of them. > Good form. > most kind of you, despen. i will remember. i'm starting to understand the issues with newsgroups better now and your suggestions really helped. i see what gnus is trying to do regarding the sig as well and understand the 'strip signature' box as well as what happens when you have guys like me messing around with things. :D i've been going through the manual and it has been very useful (i am now 'good enough to get by' with news), but i have some difficulty putting pieces together. if such a thing as a recommended tutorial (i've found a couple of things which were ok in specialize areas) exists, possibly that would be a better approach (... though i know some people who can just figure out everything from a manual and that may be a very worthwhile skill to develop even if it takes longer). tomorrow we move on to email with gnus!! -- In friendship, prad ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 19:06 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 19:11 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 20:18 ` David Brown 2010-12-28 20:32 ` Richard Riley 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: David Brown @ 2010-12-28 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > well i've used the same sig for years and i have no trouble posting with > it on the other news groups (in fact, the emacs.help group) with > claws-mail. > > so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. > > ... with you on your journey > Towards Freedom > http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) > Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's If this is your signature, the probably is probably that gnus is considering your entire post to be the signature. Convention has the signature start with a line containing two hyphens, a space, and a newline. Gnus searches for this when scanning for the signature. Your signature has no separator, so it has no way of finding it. It also means that the signature won't be visually distinguished by clients that have that capability. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 20:18 ` David Brown @ 2010-12-28 20:32 ` Richard Riley 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2010-12-28 20:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english David Brown <gnus@davidb.org> writes: > prad <prad@towardsfreedom.com> writes: > >> asjo@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > >> well i've used the same sig for years and i have no trouble posting with >> it on the other news groups (in fact, the emacs.help group) with >> claws-mail. >> >> so i'm inclined to think this is resolvable within gnus. >> >> ... with you on your journey >> Towards Freedom >> http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) >> Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's > > If this is your signature, the probably is probably that gnus is > considering your entire post to be the signature. I think Prad removed the "-- " or else he couldnt post with the sig. > > Convention has the signature start with a line containing two hyphens, a > space, and a newline. Gnus searches for this when scanning for the > signature. > > Your signature has no separator, so it has no way of finding it. It > also means that the signature won't be visually distinguished by clients > that have that capability. > > David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: author of post and signature problems 2010-12-28 14:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 18:12 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> @ 2010-12-31 0:59 ` Brett Viren 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Brett Viren @ 2010-12-31 0:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam Sjøgren; +Cc: info-gnus-english On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Adam Sjøgren <asjo@koldfront.dk> wrote: > > Why on earth do you want to bypass a signature size limit? > Only Kibo knows. -Brett. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* author of post and signature problems @ 2010-12-28 8:33 prad 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: prad @ 2010-12-28 8:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: info-gnus-english i just started with gnu after some encouraging advice from the emacs.help group and things are fitting together nicely so far. i've been posting on gmane.test and am surprised to see that i don't show up as the author of the post or the replies. instead i see it is => gmane.test i imagine i show up as author to others, but i don't know why it is not so for myself. also, how do i get by the signature limit? i have tried to set gnus-signature-limit to high values and still get Denied posting excessive signature (unless i remove the two hypens so the system thinks i have no signature) In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2010-12-31 0:59 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 19+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- [not found] <mailman.31.1293525612.2341.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 10:21 ` author of post and signature problems Massimo Gengarelli 2010-12-28 14:36 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 18:12 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.7.1293559906.18542.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 19:06 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-28 20:19 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.3.1293567513.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 21:25 ` Adam Sjøgren 2010-12-29 14:48 ` Philipp Haselwarter 2010-12-30 19:13 ` prad 2010-12-28 19:11 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-28 20:10 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.2.1293566991.3661.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-28 20:31 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-28 21:40 ` despen 2010-12-28 23:39 ` prad [not found] ` <mailman.0.1293579503.26585.info-gnus-english@gnu.org> 2010-12-29 1:49 ` despen 2010-12-29 7:12 ` prad 2010-12-28 20:18 ` David Brown 2010-12-28 20:32 ` Richard Riley 2010-12-31 0:59 ` Brett Viren 2010-12-28 8:33 prad
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