From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.emacs.gnus.user/1098 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Simon Josefsson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.gnus.user Subject: Re: What's the difference between gnus-recent-mark and gnus-unseen-mark? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 11:56:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87u1l476rl.fsf@harris.sdo.us.ray.com> <87elc32mzm.fsf@harris.sdo.us.ray.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138667923 9778 80.91.229.2 (31 Jan 2006 00:38:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:38:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: nobody Tue Jan 17 17:28:37 2006 Original-Path: quimby.gnus.org!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.gnus Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 178.230.13.217.in-addr.dgcsystems.net Original-X-Trace: quimby.gnus.org 1031654066 25381 217.13.230.178 (10 Sep 2002 10:34:26 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@quimby.gnus.org Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Sep 2002 10:34:26 GMT User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2 (i386-debian-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SI803nJTDoH6b972rvMzw8QtPzY= Original-Xref: bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de gnus-emacs-gnus:1238 Original-Lines: 43 X-Gnus-Article-Number: 1238 Tue Jan 17 17:28:37 2006 Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.gnus.user:1098 Archived-At: Steven E. Harris writes: >> This is fine (but I could agree N is a bit noicy, what >> about using `,' instead?). > > The comma could be fine. As the semantic distinction is subtle (at > least in my usage scenario), the mark distinction should be subtle as > well. I've been running with , for some hours now and it could work, although it looks a bit unprofessional. Colon : might look better. OTOH I now remember why N was chosen -- Pine uses this as a new mail indicator, and perhaps Mutt also does the same. >> When I have read IMAP mail using another IMAP mail reader (I often >> read via Squirrelmail web mail) I don't get the N but I do get a >> . instead. > > So is the dot indicating that while the message may have been seen > before elsewhere, this Gnus instance hasn't seen it yet? Yes. "seen elsewhere" is defined by the server, and can be anything. > The 'N' would mean that no client has seen the message, while the > dot would mean that Gnus hasn't seen it. Is that correct? Yes, although a N might be displayed even if the mail is old if the server is buggy or has a weird policy. Gnus doesn't control it. >> Perhaps the documentation could be improved to convey this stuff in >> a clearer way. Suggestions? > > I can't propose specific wording right now, but these points should be > made manifest (provided they are correct): > > o Have each mark's documentation mention the other, explaining how > they differ. > o Explain the difference in "scope" between the marks. One addresses > message state across multiple clients, while the other is relevant > only to this client. I improved it a little, but didn't explain the multi-client issue since I couldn't come up with a brief and concise explanation.