* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <2qptjhmzhl.fsf@crpppc215.epfl.ch> @ 2003-08-07 12:30 ` Kathryn Huxtable [not found] ` <85he4t8pxb.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> 2003-08-08 11:17 ` Marcus Frings 2003-08-07 13:01 ` Frank Schmitt 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Kathryn Huxtable @ 2003-08-07 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw) marcuirl <marcuirl@imap.no2this.cc> writes: > bojohan+news@dd.chalmers.se (Johan Bockgård) writes: > >> marcuirl <marcuirl@imap.no2this.cc> writes: >> >>> When I opened the group, nothing there. If I use and other mailer >>> the two messages are definitely there. >> >> Do they show up if you enter the group with C-u RET ? > > No only / o makes them visible >> >>> The message count seems to be wrong in gnus. It thinks that I have >>> 385 messages in this group and even if I delete messages it remains >>> the same, while the other mailer sez I have only 284 in there. >> >> See FAQ Question 4.12, (info "(gnus)[4.12]") > > This node does not exist for me! Here it is. -K Question 4.12: .............. The number of total messages in a group which Gnus displays in group buffer is by far to high, especially in mail groups. Is this a bug? Answer: No, that's a matter of design of Gnus, fixing this would mean reimplementation of major parts of Gnus' back ends. Gnus thinks "highest-article-number - lowest-article-number = total-number-of-articles". This works OK for Usenet groups, but if you delete and move many messages in mail groups, this fails. To cure the symptom, enter the group via `C-u RET' (this makes Gnus get all messages), then hit `M P b' to mark all messages and then say `B m name.of.group' to move all messages to the group they have been in before, they get new message numbers in this process and the count is right again (until you delete and move your mail to other groups again). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <85he4t8pxb.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> @ 2003-08-07 15:33 ` Reiner Steib 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2003-08-07 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, Aug 07 2003, Hubert Canon wrote: > Kathryn Huxtable <kathryn@kathrynhuxtable.org> schrieb : [...] >> say `B m name.of.group' to move all messages to the group they have [...] > If I do that, all the messages are marked as read. Is it normal ? If they have been (marked as) read before, yes. Moving articles doesn't change read/unread status. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group 2003-08-07 12:30 ` gnus not showing all articles in a group Kathryn Huxtable [not found] ` <85he4t8pxb.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> @ 2003-08-08 11:17 ` Marcus Frings 2003-08-08 12:16 ` Marcus Frings [not found] ` <85wudoxocc.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcus Frings @ 2003-08-08 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw) * Kathryn Huxtable <kathryn@kathrynhuxtable.org> wrote: > No, that's a matter of design of Gnus, fixing this would mean > reimplementation of major parts of Gnus' back ends. Gnus thinks > "highest-article-number - lowest-article-number = > total-number-of-articles". This works OK for Usenet groups, but if you > delete and move many messages in mail groups, this fails. To cure the > symptom, enter the group via `C-u RET' (this makes Gnus get all > messages), then hit `M P b' to mark all messages and then say `B m > name.of.group' to move all messages to the group they have been in > before, they get new message numbers in this process and the count is > right again (until you delete and move your mail to other groups > again). If I do this as you suggest my article sorting in these groups don't work anymore. I use `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-number' in my gnus_groupparameters.el and afterwards the oldest mails are at the top and the newest at the bottom. Obviously the article numbers seem to change. So I tried `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date' (which is said to be slower than -number) instead but this has an effect on only one certain group somehow whereas other groups don't seem to be affected. Regards, Marcus -- "Ich weiß einfach alles über sie... Wir könnten sie alle umbringen. Na, was denkst du?" - "Ach, weißt du, warum nicht..." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group 2003-08-08 11:17 ` Marcus Frings @ 2003-08-08 12:16 ` Marcus Frings [not found] ` <85wudoxocc.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcus Frings @ 2003-08-08 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw) * Marcus Frings <iam-est-hora-surgere@despammed.com> wrote: > * Kathryn Huxtable <kathryn@kathrynhuxtable.org> wrote: >> No, that's a matter of design of Gnus, fixing this would mean >> reimplementation of major parts of Gnus' back ends. Gnus thinks >> "highest-article-number - lowest-article-number = >> total-number-of-articles". This works OK for Usenet groups, but if you >> delete and move many messages in mail groups, this fails. To cure the >> symptom, enter the group via `C-u RET' (this makes Gnus get all >> messages), then hit `M P b' to mark all messages and then say `B m >> name.of.group' to move all messages to the group they have been in >> before, they get new message numbers in this process and the count is >> right again (until you delete and move your mail to other groups >> again). > If I do this as you suggest my article sorting in these groups don't > work anymore. I use `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-number' in my > gnus_groupparameters.el and afterwards the oldest mails are at the top > and the newest at the bottom. Obviously the article numbers seem to > change. So I tried `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date' (which is said > to be slower than -number) instead but this has an effect on only one > certain group somehow whereas other groups don't seem to be affected. Ups, I forgot to mention that I also played with gnus-article-sort-functions (changing `gnus-article-sort-by-number' to `gnus-article-sort-by-date') but the older articles are still at the top. Regards, Marcus -- "Paranoia - das heißt doch nur, die Wirklichkeit realistischer zu sehen als andere." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <85wudoxocc.fsf.hcanon@alussinan.org> @ 2003-08-08 19:19 ` Marcus Frings [not found] ` <v9vft83p2y.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcus Frings @ 2003-08-08 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) * Hubert Canon <hcanon@alussinan.org> wrote: > Don't use `M P b' but `M P a' (it is what I use, and looked at the > description when I swa this `M P b' that I didn't know before). Hm, what actually is the difference between `M P b' and `M P a'. "Select buffer" and "select all" sounds pretty the same to me (and it does the same when I hit those keys). >> I use `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-number' > I use `gnus-thread-sort-by-most-recent-date' instead. Hm, yes, but the Gnus manual says that sorting by recent-number is faster than recent-date. Have you ever noticed slowdowns? Regards, Marcus -- "Es gibt nichts auf der Welt, das so riecht... Ich liebe den Geruch von Napalm am Morgen. Weißt du, einmal haben wir einen Hügel bombardiert, 12 Stunden lang. Als alles vorbei war, lief ich da rauf. Das war ein Geruch - Du kennst doch diesen Geruch von Benzin - der ganze Hügel - ja, wie roch er? - wie nach Sieg roch er." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <vita-brevis-breviter-in-brevi-finietur-mors-venit-velociter-quae-neminem-veretur-87oeyzls35.fsf@gothgoose.net> @ 2003-08-09 13:14 ` Reiner Steib 2003-08-09 16:28 ` Marcus Frings 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Reiner Steib @ 2003-08-09 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) On Sat, Aug 09 2003, Marcus Frings wrote: > * Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> wrote: [...] >> But `M P b' should be faster. Additionally `M P a' was buggy in >> previous versions of Gnus. > > I upgrade from CVS daily. :-) (Daily, even if there are no changes?) Gnus 5.10 never had this problem. But users of Gnus 5.8/5.9 (or whichever version was b0rked) might pick up `M P a'. >> `*-by*-number' doesn't need to fetch and parse the "Date:" header. >> For nntp and similar groups (no deleting, moving, copying, ...), I'd >> recommend `*-by*-number', which is the same as sorting by arrival time >> in this case. In mail groups, I use `by-date'. Oops, now I checked my settings and I found that I don't use sort-by-date at all. > Have you ever tried to figure out how much is the performance loss? I never did. See `M-x elp- TAB TAB' if you want to try. Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- PGP key available via WWW http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group 2003-08-09 13:14 ` Reiner Steib @ 2003-08-09 16:28 ` Marcus Frings 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Marcus Frings @ 2003-08-09 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) * Reiner Steib <4.uce.03.r.s@nurfuerspam.de> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 09 2003, Marcus Frings wrote: >> I upgrade from CVS daily. :-) > (Daily, even if there are no changes?) Gnus 5.10 never had this Yes. I always get the nightly built packages from Manoj's "debianized" Gnus CVS snapshots. It's beautiful. :-) > problem. But users of Gnus 5.8/5.9 (or whichever version was b0rked) > might pick up `M P a'. I have never really used Gnus 5.8 or 5.9 as my serious use of Gnus began with Oort. > Oops, now I checked my settings and I found that I don't use > sort-by-date at all. LOL! So what do you use instead? "*-by-*-number"? >> Have you ever tried to figure out how much is the performance loss? > I never did. See `M-x elp- TAB TAB' if you want to try. Thanks for the hint, I'll check it out. Regards, Marcus -- "Amara tanta tyri pastos sycalos sycaliri ellivoli scarras polili posylique lyvarras." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <2qptjhmzhl.fsf@crpppc215.epfl.ch> 2003-08-07 12:30 ` gnus not showing all articles in a group Kathryn Huxtable @ 2003-08-07 13:01 ` Frank Schmitt 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Frank Schmitt @ 2003-08-07 13:01 UTC (permalink / raw) marcuirl <marcuirl@imap.no2this.cc> writes: >> See FAQ Question 4.12, (info "(gnus)[4.12]") > > This node does not exist for me! Look at http://my.gnus.org/FAQ -- Did you ever realize how much text fits in eighty columns? If you now consider that a signature usually consists of up to four lines, this gives you enough space to spread a tremendous amount of information with your messages. So seize this opportunity and don't waste your signature with bullshit nobody will read. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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* Re: gnus not showing all articles in a group [not found] ` <2wwudpn06p.fsf@crpppc215.epfl.ch> @ 2003-08-07 13:19 ` Johan Bockgård 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Johan Bockgård @ 2003-08-07 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) marcuirl <marcuirl@imap.no2this.cc> writes: > I am making progress myself, I have found the articles. Inside the > group I do a `/ o' to view old articles and low and behold they > appear. But the first column is set to a `Y' for these articles. Yes, this is the "killed due to low score" mark. By default Gnus won't show articles with scores below a certain value. Do you understand how scoring works? See (info "(gnus)Scoring") Did this help? Oh, and you could press `V t' on an article to see which score rules apply. -- Join us on #gnus @ irc.freenode.net. http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/InternetRelayChat ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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